tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55256326845104304212024-03-17T20:04:24.354-07:00Gotham AlleysThe site which focuses on the relationship between the theatrical Batman movies and the comic books. Run by long time Batman Historians, it also confirms and denies some of the popular myths about Batman mythosGothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-15637996925817935122018-12-01T09:26:00.005-08:002018-12-01T09:26:52.014-08:00The End of Gotham Alleys<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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As many might have noticed, there has been no updates for a long time now. I started a research on Snyder-verse however my researches take such a long time I just won't be able to finish it now. I have way too much on my hand and as much as Id like to theres no way I could continue the blog with as much research and accuracy as I did before. If I can't give it 100% I don;t want to do it. For example, a research for certain articles such as History of Joker took nearly a year as it required me, along with some other articles, to carefully re-read every Batman issue since 1939. I'm not able to do that now. I will do one more post at some point which will feature my top 3 all time favorite Batman comics. Till then, thank you all for all your interest, praise and great commentsGothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-16868036333128666472016-11-08T18:24:00.001-08:002018-12-01T09:29:35.366-08:00Ben Affleck's Batman and the Snyder Bat universe<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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In response to the countless questions about the updates on the blog with the additions of the new, so called Snyder verse - they are coming...eventually. The other entries in the blog took an insane amount of research and dedication. For example, the article on Joker took close to a year (about nine months), the articles on the various incarnations of Batman on the big screen took close to that, as I had to literally re-read every-single issue of Batman and his guest appearances in other comics ever published, not to mention dig around every piece of press ever written on the subject. </div>
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Having a new onscreen incarnation of Batman is both unexpected and exciting to research on and write about since there's so much new material to sink the teeth in. However, I do not have the luxury of time as I did few years back when I actively contributed to the blog. Also, my knowledge of the Batman comics past 2008 is severely lacking, although this could be handled by my fellow co-writers.</div>
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But - it will happen, it just needs time, and lots of it. The Joker history article WILL be updated with Jared Leto's interpretation, and there WILL be a "Batman in the 2010's: Ben Affleck" article, but don't hold your breath just yet</div>
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The 60's utility belt was one of the very few things that differed from the comic book counterpart of the time. The most noticeable difference was that it didnt have pellets and instead had an actual compartments for the gadgets. The list of gadgets from the 1960's series is very long, but one of the most recognizable ones i the Batarang, folded in half and hidden in the utility belt
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The Batman utility belt heavily resembled the comic book one. It was yellow/gold ,and consisted of rows of ampules that held most of the smaller accessories. That type of a belt was the original Batman belt which survived in almost unchanged form for decades, which he prominently used from 1939 to 1999 ( with the rare appearances of variants). However, unlike in the comics, the movie belt was entirely made of metal</div>
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GRAPPLING GUN<br /><br /><br /> In comic books, the Dark Knight doesn't carry a gun that shoots bullets. In the film, he is armed, however, with this weapon, the Grappling Gun: A spring action, speargun-like device that shots a grappling hook and, when needed, paralyzing gas. It's an original device designed for the movie
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<br /> BATARANG<br /><br /> The Batarang is beside bat-grapple Batman's usually assigned defensive weapon. It resembles a boomerang, and it can come back to its thrower. It can be folded up in the center in order to be attached to the utility belt.</div>
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THE GAUNTLET<br /><br /><br /> Batman uses this in the museum scene. This weapon can shoot two steel nails that pull wires at opposite directions, and then it serves as a trolley for a quick escape.
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Some other larger accessories included are BOLO GUN (with which he ties Joker to the statue with) and a swept-bladed SHURIKEN which wasn't used in the movie but was shown in the Official Movie Magazine<br /><br /> The smaller accessories are kept in the golden ampules, just like in the comic books. <br /><br /> SMOKE PELLETS<br /><br /> Batman used them throughout his long history, and they were one of the first accessories shown from his utility belt
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<br /><br /><br /> SEEKING BATARANG<br />
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<br /> Something that changed was the look of the batarangs. This time the batarang looks more similar to the comic book, apart from the fact that it has a small LSD screen. The screen was used to target the enemies around Batman. After the weapon was thrown, it would seek and hit the targets wherever they were.<br /><br /> THE GRAPPLING GUN<br />
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<br /> The grappling hook in Batman Returns is based on the first model from the previous movie. It is revised around the handle. Now it has more chrome parts. The launcher now is not at the lower part, but on the upper surface and it is operated with the thumb.<br /><br /> CHEMICAL TUBES<br />
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<br /> These little tubes are hidden in the utility belt, and contain several mixtures of chemicals. They have several effects when thrown separately or mixed together. The blue is napalm, the red explosive and the green KO gas.<br /><br /> GAUNTLET<br />
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<br /> A completely revised version of the first movie’s Gauntlet. This is a more elaborate gadget than the Speargun, allowing Batman to fire hooks connected to wires and pulleys, which he can ride to safety. <br /><br />.................................................<br /><br /><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #38761d;">B A T M A N F O R E V E R</span></span><br />
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<br /> <br /> The Batman Forever belt was significantly redesigned to reflect a new generation of Batman movies. The extreme redesign that the entire suit got was Joel Schumacher's idea, and the coloring changed as well - black was now mixed/accented with silver. By the end of the movie Batman switches to the new costume which "looks futuristic. It's not black but dark silver"(JS).<br /><br />
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<br /><br /><br />A C C E S S O R I E S <br /><br /> BATARANG<br />
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<br /><br /> This film saw a dramatic change to Batman's basic weapon, the batarang. This version can be folded in the center, then the two wings are shifted apart. The process is automatic<br /><br /> GRAPPLING GUN<br />
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<br /> The look of the grapple changed dramatically for Batman Forever, to fit with the ''new'' Batman. Now it can cut through hard rock, as seen in the bank sequence. <br /><br /> BATARANG LAUNCHER<br />
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<br /> A strange variation of the batarang. It is hidden in the utility belt, and it is driven out by a launcher and placed automatically in Batman's hand.<br /><br /> BAT BOLA<br />
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<br /> This weapon is thrown around the feet of Batman's enemies and ties them with a thin rope. Then, with the push of a button in Batman's glove it can cause an electro shock.<br /><br />.................................................<br /> <span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #cc0000;">B A T M A N & R O B I N</span></span> <br />
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<br /><br /> The Batman & Robin belt was a cousin of the Batman Forever version. Batman & Robin was the first Batman movie which didn't have Bob Ringwood designing and working on the costumes.<br /> Batman also wears another Bat costume by the end of the movie, however his second silver and blue costume is the first Bat costume that doesn't have a utility belt<br /><br />
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<br /><br />A C C E S S O R I E S<br /><br /> BATARANG<br />
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<br /> This proven weapon appears in two new versions. Batman has now a launcher for the Batarang on his lower arm. Similarly as the rope the Batarang is shot by an easy movement of the arm.<br /><br /> GRAPPLING GUN<br />
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<br /> The Grappling gun this time is very different from Batman Forever. It can be attached on Batman's glove or the utility belt. The 90m rope it launches can carry as much as 400 kg.<br /><br /> BAT BOMB<br />
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<br /> This bat-shaped portable bomb can be either thrown or attached with a magnet. <br /><br /> BAT LASER<br />
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<br /> This tool is used in the film to melt ice. With the push of just one button Batman can control the intensity and range of the laser beam. With the laser one can cut alloys as well as ignite inflammable materials.<br /><br />.................................................<br /><br /><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #7f6000;">B A T M A N B E G I N S </span></span><br />
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<br /><br /> The Batman Begins utility belt features small compartments, like the belt worn on the TV show and first shown in comic books such as Year One and The Dark Knight Returns<br /> Batman's Utility Belt is a customized Wayne Enterprises high-tech climbing harness, usally worn over the nomex survival suit that serves as Batman's body armor. Magnetized impact-resistant pouches and canisters line the belt at ergonomic points for ease of reach. In these storage spaces, Bruce has relaced the harness' original complement of carabiners and pitons with the crime-fighting tools of his trade. Finally, Bruce removed the shoulder and chest straps because they constricted his movements.<br /><br />A C C E S S O R I E S<br />
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<br /> GRAPPLING GUN<br />
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<br /> Christopher Nolan's borrowed a couple of elements from the original Tim Burton movies, like Grappling Gun (among the sculpted expression on the mask, black makeup on the eyes and the suit being an armor). The pneumatic grappling gun features a magnetic grapple and monofilament de-cel climbing line tested to 350 pounds maximum holding strength. Early renditions borrowed from centuries old musket design, as well as modern firearms. The final version, in keeping with the design of much of the film, is streamlined, simple, and extremely effective</div>
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<br /> Mini Mines and explosive packets can be used for a variety of offensive and defensive purposes, including creating diversions, disabling getaway vehicles, or defeating locks<br /><br /> BAT SHURIKENS<br />
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<br /> Based on the Ninja throwing stars called Shurikens, Bruce designs these weapons in the shape of a Bat, the symbol he adopts to strike fear into the hearts of criminals.<br /><br /> MINI CELL PHONE WITH ECRYPTED SIGNAL<br />
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<br /> The Cell Phone and Palmtop computer all-in-one, this high speed processor is encrypted for maximum security. Voice-activated for hands free use, all calls are "Piggy-backed" on WayneTech satellite transmissions and are therefore completely untraceable. <br /><br /> Other accessories include:<br /> -Flexible, fiber-optic periscope (to see around corners) <br /> -Ninja spikes for the hands and feet (used to climb sheer walls) <br /> -Medical kit<br />................................................. <br /><br /><span style="font-size: large;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;">T H E D A R K K N I G H T</span></span><br />
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<br /><br />The Dark Knight belt is the same as the one from Batman Begins, although one notable addition was made to the utility belt; an air-powered charge-firing rifle, which allows Batman to fire timed explosive charges from considerable distances and can be folded into two halves into a box-like shape to fit into his utility belt's compartment.</div>
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<span style="font-size: large;">S</span>ome fans believe the colors of Batman's costume in the TV series are incorrectly interpreted, believing that Batman wasn't blue in the comics, but black instead. There's a belief that blue only meant to highlight the black. But was it really? It's safe to say it was both. It is possible that Batman truly did start in black, but certainly in latter years he was officially wearing a blue suit.<br />
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However, some may point out that Kane's quote and first claim of Batman being originally black originated in 1989, coincidentally when the movie presented him as black for the first time. It's possible that it was just a retconning statement to support the movie. However, there are certainly elements in early comics which are undoubtedly black but colored in blue, such as Superman's hair. The early art also tends to support this thesis since Batman really was primarily black with small blue highlights<br />
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It wasn't later on when the colors were reversed and he was blue with black highlights. And then there comes a point in the artistic history of Batman where cops are shown wearing black uniforms highlighted with blue, and Batman is shown wearing a blue uniform highlighted with black. At that point, Batman is clearly supposed to be wearing blue</div>
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In the story <i>The Super-Key to Fort Superman</i>, Batman melted an identical wax-statue of himself to take it's place. And Superman clearly thinks to himself about the BLUE and gray blob of melted wax. He even tells it to Batman himself how the Batman figure is BLUE and gray.</div>
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In The Strange Costumes of Batman! Detective Comics No. 165, Nov '50.
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<span style="font-size: large;">E</span>very writer of the Batman movies had either an extensive prior knowledge of the Batman comic books or did an extensive research before writing the script. Each and every one of the theatrical Batman movies has numerous subtle and not so subtle nods and references to the comic books and reveals an impressive knowledge of the comic book back catalog.<br />
One of the last posts focused on differences and deviations from the comic books from each movie, listing the number of things which were changed to fit the story more and serve it better (http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/03/list-of-changes-in-movies.html). This time we'll focus on all the references and similarities to showcase the writers' knowledge of the Batman stories and to point out what was taken from the comics</div>
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'The Dark Knight Rises' draws heavily and primarily from vengeance of Bane, Knightfall and Legacy saga. Naturally, it also reflects and borrows from various issues of the Modern Age era</div>
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1. John Blake, while being an amalgam of the Robin character, is actually a minor character in early Batman comic books. Panel below from Batman #13</div>
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3. Batman took a decade long hiatus in The Dark Knight Returns. While in the movie its 8 years, its still close to a decade<br />
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4. In The Dark Knight Returns, he also had to use enhancements for his limbs<br />
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5. In the movie, Bruce is not in the top form when he faces Bane for the first time. He is older, has been out of shape and action for 8 years, and has problems with his knee. In the comics, when Batman first fought Bane, he was also very out of shape, having been completely exhausted and under influence of a sickness called Epstein-Barr Syndrome. </div>
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7. The fight ends with a recreation of the famous panels where Bane breaks the caped crusader<br />
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9. While for different reasons, Gordon was out of the action and in hospital for quite some time, starting with Detective Comics #626<br />
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10. Selina Kyle used to have a blonde companion (Arizona/Jen) that she sort of took under her wings. Or claws if you will. Panel from Batman #460</div>
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11. Gordon's marriage problems and eventual separation is also a subplot originating from comic books. Panel below from Batman: Year One<br />
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12. As in the comics, Bane joined Ra's Al Ghul and then was casted out, and also had a love affair with Talia</div>
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13. Bane was responsible for jailbreak during Knightfall Saga. In the comic books, it was Arkham, in the movie it was Blackgate<br />
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14. In 'No Man's Land', Gotham City gets cut from the world, with its bridges blown up, devastated by earthquake and sanctioned by the military.<br />
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15. As in 'Vengeance of Bane', Bane was most likely born in prison, as he admits to being born in the darkness</div>
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16. As in the comics, Batman damages Bane's mask which aids in his defeat<br />
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17. When in disguise, Catwoman likes the old fashion look with a big hat<br />
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18. The newspaper titles are nods to the earliest Batman comics that featured Catwoman<br />
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19. Bane and Catwoman worked briefly together in the Knightfall saga<br />
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20. Bane's objective of completing Ra's al Ghul's campaign against Gotham is similar to the plot of Batman: Bane (May 1997), a one shot that rounded off the Legacy story arc.<br />
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21. The Pit is Nolan's version of the Lazarus Pit. Bruce went into the pit with a broken back, a bad knee, and he was very weak. He was also mentally crushed, and probably depressed. He came out of the pit with a healed back, virtually no knee problem, as strong as he was in the two previous films, and he was mentally stronger too. While it's not the classic supernatural healing pit, it's still the real life version of it<br />
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22. In Detective Comics #489, a leader of League of Assasins uses a phrase that Bane, co-leader of the League of Shadows uses as well<br />
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23. Bruce and Selina got married in Superman Family #211. Credit to Batman-Online.com for the find<br />
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24. With long gloves and thigh high boots, Catwoman's outfit is pretty much Jim Balent's Catwoman suit, just in black<br />
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<span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #ffd966;">T</span></span>he first live action Catwoman appeared in 1966's Batman episode called "The Purr-fect Crime". The first shot that we see her in reveals her nature as a professional thief. As in the comics, she is shown as a quiet, swift and graceful cat burglar, both intelligent and highly physical, as she can sneak and run in high heels better than most people can in more comfortable outfit.</div>
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She is not only a seasoned and very good professional thief, but also commands her crooks and comes up with very clever and inventive plans to get to her treasure and confuse and defeat Batman</div>
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That matches her depiction in the comic books as well, where she also had her own gang and took care of all the creative thinking</div>
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<span style="font-size: xx-small;">Panel from Batman #10</span></div>
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Catwoman is also evidently bipolar, as she instantly switches moods from anger or fury to melowness and satisfaction. She can be extremely agressive and blood thirsty, but calm and flirty the next moment.</div>
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The confrontations with Batman bring this side of Catwoman more upfront, when Batman often witnesses her ever surprising mood swings</div>
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But in the series, her love to Batman came a little later. At first she wanted to kill Batman and toyed with him first, like a cat with his prey, but then when Batman saved her life in "The Cat and the Fiddle", she developed an affection for him and started fantasizing about the hooded avenger. On the other end, Batman also could barely resist his strange affection to Catwoman's charms either, sometimes even giving up to them. </div>
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Robin always stood between Batman and the Catwoman and she hated him for it. She said she couldn't bring herself to kill Batman, but she couldn't wait to get rid of the "Boy Blunder"<br />
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<b><i><span style="color: #ffd966;">Newmar:</span></i></b><i><span style="color: #ffd966;"> Hell, no. Who cares? Let's kill him. He's annoying</span></i>. <span style="color: #ffd966;">(USA Today int)</span><br />
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Catwoman's real name has never been revealed in the series, same goes for her origins and backstory.</div>
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The very first time we see Selina Kyle/The Cat in the comic books in her real appearance, she is described as 'beautiful young woman' and she turns heads in almost every issue, so does the TV series' version. </div>
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What's very interesting is the fact that it was Newmar who developed and popularized Catwoman's nature and behavior as we know it today. It was Newmar who made Catwoman extremely seductive in both her speech, mannerism and moves, a very important and now signature trait of the character adapted to the comic books and subsequent incarnations ever since. It was an original addition from the actress, since she was not very familiar with the character prior to the series and brought her own spin and personality to the character. The Catwoman had been using her great looks and sex for distraction from the get go, however it was Julie who popularized her seductivness in a physical way, moving, moaning or stretching<br />
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This wasn't the only addition to the character. Julie also created rolling the r sound in certain words to make it sound like she's purring, and the use of feline double entendres (e.g. "You may stroke my pussy willow"). Also, she was the first Catwoman to make a good use of campy sense of humor, which the comic book version imitated<br />
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Doziers' Catwoman also touches upon the supernaturality and the 7 lives myth that the Golden Age comic books introduced early on. Catwoman seems to die and mysteriously reappears in several issues and her powers are attributed to the feline 7 lives (although in one issue she's faking it by wearing a bulletproof vest). In her very first appearance, Catwoman fells of a cliff into a deep abyss. Her body is nowhere to be found at the bottom of the pit, and Batman and Robin find a single black cat instead<br />
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Newmar's costume was an original creation, not based on any of the previous Catwoman outfits<br />
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The idea of a skin tight suit was adopted to the comics and remained even to this day, while the mask and overall look was imitated almost instantly by comic books in the late 60's, starting with Batman #197<br />
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Newmar's performance, but also added her own twist to the character. No two actors
would play the same characters exactly the same, even if they have the same
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Lee meowed even more than her predecessor, and it was her
own idea to do so: <span style="color: #ffe599;"><i>"As a matter of fact they didn't even suggest in the script
that she meows, they had other ideas and all but I said 'couldn't I just try
and meow here or purr here', or do this and that and they were willing to go
along with it" (Jean Boone '66 TV interview)</i></span></div>
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Meriwether was even more catlike with her poses and behavior.
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Lee also recognized the double nature of Catwoman, something
very essential to the character :<i><span style="color: #ffe599;">"People love villains especially when they
have some saving grace somewhere along the line" (Studio Kaiju int)</span></i></div>
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essential characteristic of the feline thief. Meriwether was also a Miss
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<span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #ffd966;">EARTHA KITT</span></span><br />
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What was lost when Eartha came in was that the "romance" between Batman and Catwoman was no more. What followed that was the fact that the character also lost a lot of its seductiveness and sexy behavior was cut down. The reason behind it all were that since Batman and Catwoman were of a different race, it would have been too controversial at the time. Eartha's Catwoman only loved Batman <span style="color: #ffd966;">"like a cat does its toy"</span> (USA Today)<br />
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<span style="font-size: x-large;"><b>T</b></span>he live action picture portrayals of Batman have been undeniably different in every movie, which is a given considering the fact that the character had many different faces in its long comic book history. There is no such thing as the "right" portrayal of Batman, but that has been touched upon in the 'Batman in 2000s' article, among others. This time lets take some time to briefly shed some light on the <b>similarities </b>between those different portrayals. While there were different approaches and characterizations, in some portrayals the signature core characteristics of the Batman character are preserved, mainly in the Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan movies, while others shine away from general outlines of the Dark Knight, the modern age definition of the caped crusader. The TV series is left out from this article since its been targeting a vastly different approach, reflecting Batman of only one specific era period, whilst the motion picture movies took something from various portrayals, even if primarily focusing on one era or another (while adding their original touches as well). While there's a few similarities as far as gadgets, batcave, the depiction of the city and even some basic story ideas, let's focus solely on Batman only.</div>
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Even including the cheerful Silver Age, Batman has moved, stood or took poses like a bat, since it's earliest days (although in the Silver Age when he did took spooky vampire poses as well, he did it comparatively rarely). His cape was often spread to resemble bat wings, and his silhouette often looked like that of a bat. Such approach is clearly taken by both Burton and Nolan..</div>
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..however discarded by Schumacher. In his movies, we never see Batman with a wing span or a shape of a bat during his flight. Schumacher took a more superheroic approach and portrayed Batman in a flowing cape. The one instance where Batman spread his wings was in Batman & Robin in so called "pose" shot<br />
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Schumacher did not share those features and presented Batman who had no problem showing in bright public places among the crowds and cameras,<br />
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Modern Batman has also been known to casually watch over the city from the rooftops, waiting for a crime to happen<br />
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This was completely absent in Schumacher's movies<br />
The common ground isn't just limited to the visuals. Perhaps one of the two most recognizable features in Batman character is his hard to constrain fury that he keeps locked inside. There were many moments when Batman was close to snapping, and times where he needed someone to stop him. If he didn't his unmatched fury could go extremely far.<br />
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<b><span style="color: #3d85c6;">Christian Bale:</span></b><i><span style="color: #3d85c6;"> I just went with as much aggression and rage as I could, bordering on appearing like a bad guy when he’s got the suit on. That you should be unsure when you’re faced with him </span></i><br />
<i><span style="color: #3d85c6;">He could do good things but man, he could just as easily flip over and become like the ultimate villain</span>.</i> (Rebecca Murray int. 2005)<br />
Batman's anger and occasional lack of control appears in both Keaton's and Bale's portrayals...<br />
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..however is completely absent in Kilmer's and Clooney's takes. Kilmer specifically remains unusually stoic and in control, unlike any other incarnation of the character. He remains absolutely relaxed and calm in almost every situation, not even showing any emotions after his cave had been devastated and his love interest kidnapped or when facing people responsible.<br />
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Clooney, by his own admission, wanted to completely go past pain and anger, and he did<br />
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It is then no surprise that Christian Bale's favorite portrayal of Batman is that of Michael Keaton, since, even though they reflected different worlds and genres, shared important core characteristics of the Modern Age era Batman<br />
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GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com13tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-87305249172865037372012-01-22T18:20:00.000-08:002012-02-21T11:36:33.442-08:00Media References Part IV: Christopher Nolan Movies<div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;">W</span></span>ith such tremendous critical acclaim, it would be hard for Christopher Nolan's Batman movies not to find their way into popular culture. Cementing the popularity of the character and raising the bar for comic books movies, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight's mark made it to quite a few movies, series' and shows. The following list is by no means a full one of all the references and spoofs of the show as the list goes insanely long, but collects the most interesting and memorable ones from 2005 to date.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;">* Bart's story in Simpson's "Revenge Is a Dish Best Served Three Times" is a spoof of Batman Begins</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">* Robot Chicken also did their own spoof with Heimlich Begins</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><div align="center">* In Community: Introduction to Statistics", Abed dresses up as an imitates Bale's voice</div><br />
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* In The Office's "Employee Transfer", Creed, Kevin and Dwight all dress up as Ledger's Joker<br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">* On the 25th Anniversary of WrestleMania, Rey Mysterio Jr dressed up as the Joker</div></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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<div align="center">Wrestler Sting adopted Joker's persona in 2011</div><br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">* In 2011 a dance group performed on America's Greatest Talent in Joker's makeup</div><br />
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* In The Simpson's "Treehouse of Horror" one of the kids is dressed up as Ledger's Joker </div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">* In Robot Chicken's "President Hu Forbids It", the Batpod ejection scene is spoofed. Here the batpod keeps breaking into smaller peaces<br />
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In another episode, "Rambling with Maurice", Two face makes an appearance. He is shown to constantly cause his own deformations<br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><div align="center">* SNL also spoofed TDK with its short story about Batman contacting Gordon wherever he went<br />
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* In the Brave and the Bold cartoon, Bale's version of the batsuit can be briefly seen</div><br />
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<div align="center">* South Park's The Coon is an obvious spoof of Bale's Batman</div><br />
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* There's a reference to Ledger's Joker in the tv show IT Crowd, in an episode called Friendface. One of the female characters is likened to Joker and then resembles him afterwards<br />
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An instant classic lines like "Why So Serious" also made it to several TV shows.<br />
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</div>GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com10tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-37153367075093894482012-01-21T10:42:00.000-08:002012-02-12T07:04:21.850-08:00Media References Part III: Joel Schumacher Movies<div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #6aa84f;">A</span></span>s oppose to the other incarnations of the Batman mythology, Schumacher's Batman movies don't have many references or nods in media. Pretty much almost all the references are just mentions or posters/photograph in the background</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><div style="text-align: center;">* Batman Forever's Batmobile appeared in one of the Drew Carrey episodes</div><br />
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* Robot Chicken made 3 references to the movies. In "Half Assed Christmas Special" Snoopy dressed up as Batman and was constantly referred to as Val Kilmer. In "Dragon's Nuts", a maid discovers the entrance to the batcave</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">In "Piece of the Action" episode Joel Schumacher is shown trying to sneak out of the ComiCon. He then gets spotted, referred to as the biggest monster in history and lynched by Batman and scifi fans</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">* George Clooney's suit and Batman Forever's batmobile were used in 2011's movie Arthur</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">*In Brave and the Bold cartoon Batman tries on the suit from Batman & Robin stating its "too icky"<br />
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* Poison Ivy's pink monkey suits can be seen in the movie Big Fat Liar<br />
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</div>GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com6tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-56108065754521856002012-01-21T09:08:00.000-08:002012-02-04T11:13:10.203-08:00Media References Part II: Tim Burton Movies<div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: "Times", "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #ffd966;">T</span></span></span>he Tim Burton movies forever changed the perception of Batman in mass media and to this day remains a golden classic and a milestone in Bathistory. Because of its stature and success, many TV shows, series' and movies featured homages, nods and spoofs of Batman and Batman Returns. The following list is by no means a full one of all the references and spoofs of the show as the list goes insanely long, but collects the most interesting and memorable ones from the late 1989 to date.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;">* In Full House "Divorce Court", Stephanie and DJ dress as Batman and Joker from the movie <br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">* Batman appeared numerous times on Tiny Toons. In 1990's "Gang Busters" an obvious Batman lookalike character encounters Bugs and Duffy entering his cave by mistake. He says "First that blonde and now this. Ah cheesh Alfred, why dont you just tell the world we're down here!"<br />
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In 1990's "Hollywood Plucky", Batman visits a Hollywood restaurant. Hamton tries to valet park his Batmobile</div></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman also made an appearance in one of the episodes (although in TV show's costume)</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">And so did an animal version of Joker</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div align="center" style="text-align: justify;">* Batman, referred to as Mr. Keaton, appeared numerous times on Animaniacs. Noticeably in 1993's "Taming of the Screwy" when he appears at WB party. Some of the other guests included were other movie icons of the times like the T-1000 and the Lethal Weapon cast</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">Penguin also made an appearance as the guest at the party</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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In "Twas the Day Before Christmas", Keaton exits the WB studios greeted by the guard saying "Goodnight Mr. Keaton, that's a lovely sedan!"<br />
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* In the beginning of the Batman: The Animated Series episode called "Off Balance", Batman meets an informant named Twitch on the tower of the statue of Liberty. The informant has black hair, a long face, and has been confirmed by the producers to be "Tim Burton". The series itself made a great deal of references to the movies<br />
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*The Simpson also made numerous references to the movies. Here are the most interesting ones. In "Last Exit to Springfield" the scene with the surgeon is recreated with Lisa. Same scene was also reenacted with Krusty before in "Homie The Clown"<br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">In "Marge vs Monorail" the Flugelheim Museum rescue scene is reenacted with Mr. Burns and Smithers</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><div style="text-align: center;">*There were also references in Family Guy as well</div><br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">*Nicholson's Joker made an appearance in South Park's "Imaginationland"</div><br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">* In 2007's Shaggy and Scooby Doo Get a Clue episode "Operation Dog and Hippie Boy", the villain - CatLady - is an obvious homage to Pfeiffer's Catwoman<br />
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*Keaton's Batman made several appearances in the MAD cartoon</div><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">Classic phrases like "I'm Batman" and "You Wanna Get Nuts? Lets Get Nuts" made it into many, many TV shows and movies, most notably Seinfeld and American Dad in which the character pickups up a sign, breaks the glass next to him and screams "You wanna get nuts?! C'mon! Let's get nutsss"<br />
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</div>GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com11tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-49982331231141292022012-01-20T14:48:00.000-08:002012-02-21T11:56:42.720-08:00Media References Part I: The 1960's Show<div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #ffe599;">T</span></span>he 1960's Batman TV series was so popular, and entrenched itself so much in American pop culture that even to this day TV shows, Animated series' and movies still make spoofs or references to this memorable show. The following list is by no means a full one of all the references and spoofs of the show as the list goes insanely long, but collects the most interesting and memorable ones from the late 1960's to date. </div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;">* The Monkees show of the late 60's made several references and nods to the show, even guest starring Burgess Meredith as the Penguin in one of the episodes. One of the very first references in the show featured the Bat phone in the episode called "Dance, Monkee, Dance"</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">*The Simpsons series made several references to the show throughout the years. From the opening...</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">to the actual appearance of Adam West's and Burt Ward's Batman and Robin</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">In the episode called "I'm going to Praiseland", the Comic Book dreams of Julie Newmar's Catwoman</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">Dancing Adam West could be seen in the episode "My Mother the Carjacker"</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">The Simpsons featured plenty more quotes, nods and cameos</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">*Tiny Toons spoofed the series in "Inside Plucky Duck"</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">* In Friends episode "The One with the Halloween Party", Monica dresses up as Newmar's Catwoman</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">* That 70s Show also made several references. One of them can be seen in the episode "Halloween" in which Fez dresses up as Batman</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">*Naturally there were also several references made in Family Guy</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">* Robot Chicken also had its share of spoofs and parodies. "That Hurts Me" shows a Monkey version of the show</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">In "Christmas Special" Batman and Robin punish a bunch of kids who were singing "Batman smells" </div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">*Howard Stern's 52nd Birthday Special premiered a BatStern cartoon</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">*Cartoon Network's MAD cartoon made several references, most notable the inclusion of Romero's Joker visiting Superman's remodeled fortress</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">Spongebob Squarepants features two superhero characters, MermaidMan and the BarnacleBoy which are an obvious spoof of Batman and Robin from the series<br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">* Adam West is the mayor of Quahog in Family Guy, voiced by the actor himself</div><br />
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Adam West appeared as himself before in Johnny Bravo cartoon, acting the same way as Batman. The entire episode was constructed like a Batman episode<br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">*Burt Ward guest starred on WCW</div><br />
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* The Kim Possible cartoon also featured a 60s Batman parody, The Fearless Ferret, in an episode of the same name. The character, who was voiced by Adam West, was the alias of "Timothy North", a cranky superhero from the 60s<br />
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The iconic phrases like "Holy..." and ""To the Batmobile" made it into many, many TV shows and movies</div><div style="text-align: justify;">Any interesting and worthy additions welcomed </div>GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-78815890586035274262012-01-10T11:04:00.000-08:002012-08-20T16:11:26.765-07:00Batman in 1960's: Adam West<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #ffe599;">A</span></span>dam West is arguably the most recognizable Batman face to date. He is perhaps as associated with Batman as Christopher Reeve is with Superman, Boris Karloff with Frankenstein's monster and Douglas Fairbanks with Zorro. His portrayal represents the late 1940's/50's and the story ideas more so on the early to mid 1960's comic books. The series itself was enormously faithful to the Silver Age comics while also adding its new ideas to the mix which were later copied or absorbed to the comic books. At the time it was still close to a decade before the darkness fell again on the caped crusader in the comics.<br />
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The first episode of the series is based on 1965's <i>Batman #171</i>, but it was more so the plot that was inspirational for that episode, while the Batman character was more faithful to the earlier portrayal of the 50's. The character at the time was a deputized honorary member of the police force, and very much a Sherlock Holmes in a costume, closely working with the police, solving clues with Robin/Watson and bringing criminals behind bars.<br />
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<span style="color: #ffd966;"><b>William Dozier</b> (producer): <i>When you're working on something you begin to visualize these characters coming to life. (...) I was impressed by [Adam West's] looks. (...) He had an immediate and a very intelligent insight in the what we were trying to do, he grasped the duality of this thing immediately, he would have to play it very straight and very square in order to have it come through as humor. (...) he turned out to be exactly right</i> (CBS 1966)</span><br />
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<span style="color: #ffd966;"><b>Adam West</b>: <i>To me it was so enormously fresh and funny I couldn't resist it </i>(Holy Batmania doc)</span><br />
<span style="color: #ffd966;"><i>I felt I had such an opportunity to create a character that would become a part of pop culture </i>(Batman: The Complete History) </span><br />
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The show was supposed to be played very seriously in order to be 'unintentionally' funny with it's over the top translation of comic book stories of the 50s and early 60s to the screen. Some examples of where the comic books stood with their approach and storylines in the 50s/60s:<br />
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<span style="color: #ffd966;"><b>William Dozier:</b> <i>[The Batman comic books I've read] were all so juvenile, and so then a very simple idea struck me, and that was to overdo it. And if you overdid it I thought, it would be funny to adults, and yet it would be stimulating the kids, the daring, doing, but you had to appeal on both levels</i> (Holy Batmania doc.)</span><br />
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<span style="color: #ffd966;"><b>Charles Fitzsimmons </b>(Associate Producer): <i>It was a tough search [to find the lead actor] because you've got to find an actor who was prepared to play Alice in Wonderland as if though it was Hamlet </i>(Holy Batmania doc)</span><br />
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The yellow oval emblem appeared in comic books in June 1964 when a big revolution hit the mythology. The new look symbolized the beginning of a new, more serious era, getting rid of the camp, aliens and bringing back more serious stories, old villains and a new, more sophisticated artwork. Ironically less than two years later the TV show reversed the process and it wasn't until 1968 that Batman once again tried to get back to the darkness and stayed this way. The TV show however, used Carmine Infantino's new emblem<br />
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In the beginning though, they were about to go with the old emblem (screencap below from the screentest)<br />
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West's Batman, like his comic book counterpart, was both a great detective, being able to solve Riddler's crimes and find solutions of the problems when the Police didn't have any, and also a great chemist and technician<br />
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Worth noting is Batman's posture when he's standing still. He crosses his arms like a bat while listening to the conversation or waiting.<br />
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Also, in the comic books Batman was virtually inseparable from Robin since 1940, and the comic book relationship between Batman and his young and enthusiastic sidekick is also present in the show.<br />
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As far as visuals, the series' Batman is a mirror image of the comic book incarnation of the time, perhaps too perfect, since West's mask even retained the black front which was simply a shadow in the comics.<br />
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While intentionally fun and light hearted, the series seems to take a lot of heat from various Batman related personalities, notable in the 'Legends of the Dark Knight' and 'Shadows of the Bat' documentaries<br />
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<span style="color: #ffe599;"><b>Paul Dini (BTAS)</b> <i>I think Batman had been haunted by the 60's show. For years after that show had ended. And i don't think there was anyway to shake that in the public's mind. </i></span><span style="color: #ffe599;"><br />
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<span style="color: #ffe599;"><b>Frank Miller</b>- </span><i><span style="color: #ffe599;">The campy old tv show Batman was essentially mocking the source material.(...)I</span><span style="color: #ffe599;">t was much campier than the comic had ever been.</span></i><span style="color: #ffe599;"><br />
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</span><span style="color: #ffe599;"><b>Michael Uslan:</b> </span><i><span style="color: #ffe599;">There's more to Batman than Pow, Zap, and Wham. </span><span style="color: #ffe599;">And for about 20 years whenever anyone mentioned the word Batman. Or wrote about it in print Pow, Zap, and wham were always attached to the name.</span></i><br />
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However it seems like all of the Batman directors are, or at least were fond of the show, and Christian Bale cites Adam West as his favorite actor portraying Batman (along with Michael Keaton)<br />
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<b><span style="color: #ffe599;">Christian Bale:</span></b><span style="color: #ffe599;"> </span><i><span style="color: #ffe599;">I think what Adam West did was great. I just didn’t realize when I was watching it as a kid that it was a spoof, you know? It was a very campy kind of thing, performance that he was doing</span></i><span style="color: #ffe599;">. (movies.about.com 2005) </span><br />
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<b><span style="color: #ffe599;">Tim Burton</span></b><span style="color: #ffe599;">: <i>I grew up with the TV series</i> (Washington Post 1989)</span><br />
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<i><span style="color: #ffe599;">[<b>Joel</b>] <b>Schumacher</b> wanted Batman & Robin to be more of homage to the TV show of the 60s than any of the more recent, darker looks of the aptly named Dark Knight. </span></i><span style="color: #ffe599;">(denofgeek.com 2010)</span><br />
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<i><span style="color: #ffe599;">Rather reassuringly, leaning against another wall [in <b>Christopher Nolan</b>'s office] is a framed poster of a 1966 Batman movie </span></i><span style="color: #ffe599;">(Empire Magazine 2011)</span><br />
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GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com31tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-42456363539346329162012-01-04T10:18:00.000-08:002012-01-04T12:51:30.090-08:00Batman's voice<div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">B</span>atman is widely known as a character that has many faces and many different portrayals, but he also has many voices as well. While it's obviously impossible to hear the voice while reading the comic books, the voice did have some pretty consistent descriptions within the stories and was also changing in time along with the character</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;">At first the voice was referenced but not described. Since it was referenced in specific manners ("Then a voice...<b>Batman's</b> voice!") it most likely meant it's something distinctive </div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">The voice wasn't really described or specified until the Silver Age. </div><br />
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<div style="text-align: justify;">The 60's Batman voice was described multiple times as calm, and sometimes as masterful (skillfull, controlling). This is exactly the voice Adam West used in his portrayal of Batman in the 1960s TV series, reflecting the comic books of the time. It's somewhat important to note that the idea of changing of the voice from regular Wayne's to Batman's wasn't really referenced at that point, therefore not really existing yet and not utilized in the series. <br />
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One of the first references of the voice changing was in Detective Comics #532 in which Batman changes/hardens his voice so Vicky won't recognize him</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;">When usually described as calm, Batman's voice in the comics was often referred to as 'cold' in the 80's starting with 1980's Untold Legends of Batman. He was also described as softly muttering, or in other words - whispering</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div>More examples. Panels below from 1985's Detective Comics #550 and 1989's Secret Origins Special #1 where it's also described specifically as whisper<br />
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<div style="text-align: justify;">The cold whisper is the voice used in Tim Burton's Batman movies by Michael Keaton, which of course reflected the 80's portrayal of the Bat-voice. The movie also marked the first time in any sort of mass media where Batman had a different voice than Bruce Wayne</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;">In Joel Schumacher movies neither of the actors changed their voices when in costumes, however note that in the 1950's portrayal that the Schumacher's movies were harking back to Batman wasn't changing his voice yet</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;">In 1990's the Batman voice changed. It was now more rough and growling. Here we have an example of the bat-voice being likened to frosted razors</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">That roughness of the voice stayed in the comics and was later described multiple times as being as hard as steel</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">In later issues it was further described as deep and rough (panel from Batman #530)</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: center;">The more recent issues likened his voice to Clint Eastwood's</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div style="text-align: justify;">This is the voice used by Christian Bale in Christopher Nolan's Batman movies, reflecting the most modern and recent depiction of Batman's voice</div><div style="text-align: justify;">After the movies the bat-voice was specifically referred to as 'growl' in some issues</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
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<div align="justify"><span style="font-size: x-large;">V</span>ictor Zsasz is one of the villains created by the phenomenal duo of the late 1980s/early 1990s, Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle. Some of the other great villains concocted by the two are the Ventriloquist/Scarface, Anarky, Kadaver and Cornelius Stirk. </div><div align="justify">Zsasz appeared relatively late in the Grant/Breyfogle run, in 1992's story "The Last Arkham" published in <i>Shadow of the Bat #1</i>. This debut story presented the villain as someone already established, well known to Batman and Gordon and doing time in Arkham.</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="justify">Zsasz is a very cruel and disturbing villain, even for the standards of the dark, Modern Age Batman and all the psychos he faces. He would perfectly fit in one of the David Fincher movies about the psychotic serial killers and could have a movie on his own.</div><div align="justify"><br />
</div><div align="justify">When Zsasz is first introduced in the story, his appearance isn't revealed for quite some time and there's a considerable buildup to his reveal. He is right away presented as someone extremely dangerous, kept locked like Hannibal Lecter, and also shown as someone equally intelligent being able to mess with people's mind and manipulate them without them knowing it.</div><div align="justify"></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-a6efFHg46xhrohVcs7PeY9qwOAWUHxsHHOmEEv94D3ZHxduXMBZ8-2N3eeA9pl9UkG0RyaXH9ikttH1XQCNxohlplTbTUVJgi4x8vqQEBceksTqyuhmM8LRtSXcdjZ_gKoLBlo-_yHiw/s1600/zsaszcage.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-a6efFHg46xhrohVcs7PeY9qwOAWUHxsHHOmEEv94D3ZHxduXMBZ8-2N3eeA9pl9UkG0RyaXH9ikttH1XQCNxohlplTbTUVJgi4x8vqQEBceksTqyuhmM8LRtSXcdjZ_gKoLBlo-_yHiw/s1600/zsaszcage.JPG" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nn2qclnILWE/TvgbamKsTgI/AAAAAAAACmo/iMWvDlz80Bk/s1600/zsaszsecurity.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="81" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nn2qclnILWE/TvgbamKsTgI/AAAAAAAACmo/iMWvDlz80Bk/s320/zsaszsecurity.JPG" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
</div><div align="justify">The signature trait in Zsasz's appearance are his tally marks. Everytime he murders someone, he marks his body with a scar. </div><br />
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</div><div align="justify">Another signature visual trait is the appearance of his eyes. He doesn't have any special eyewear, but his eyes look the way they do to visually express his insanity and twisted perception of life and world</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="justify">His methods are quite brutal. He slits victims throats and is completely immune to cries or pleads, and doesn't care if it's a small child or a pregnant woman. He always smiles while doing his deeds and takes a tremendous pleasures in doing them. After the murder, he always leaves his victims in a lifelike poses and that's his Modus Operandi</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="justify">The reason why he kills and why is he referring to all people as Zombies is revealed in his origin story in 1996's Batman Chronicles #3. He is another one of those psychos who had a tragedy in his life that pushed him into the dark corners of madness. He was a rich head of an international company but he suddenly lost his parents and soon after all of his money. While trying to jump off the bridge he gets attacked by a mugger and defends himself killing the oppressor with his own knife. He enjoyed the kill and from then on decided that life is meaningless and pointless and that everyone should be freed from this 'pointless' life. A knife became the weapon of his choice, but sometimes he uses anything that he has available</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="justify">It is also worth mentioning that he is actually a physical match for Batman, an extremely good fighter whose cleverness helps him in the duel - he can often sneak up on Batman and surprise him</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="justify">In the more recent years the comic books really toned down the character and made him into someone almost completely different, especially when it comes to his behavior, high energy and insanity</div><div align="justify"><br />
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Zsasz in the movie is called Zsaz and appears three times.<br />
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The first time during trial smirking after Crane saves him from prison time and testifies that he is insane and should be moved to Arkham. Soon after it's revealed that Zsaz is 'someone who butchers people for the mob' and is also referred to as "Falcone's thug". Those descriptions sound very different than the comic book version, however it's important to note that in the recent years Zsasz worked for the gangster Black Mask for money - not that he cared about monetary gain, but because he wanted money so he can realize his dreams - mass murder. It is a possibility that the movie Zsaz had the same motivations.<br />
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As oppose to his comic book version he seems quiet and reserved, even when he regains his freedom. As far as similarities, Zsaz has the signature physical traits of the characters like the tally marks on his body<br />
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As far as his personality, it seems like he also likes to use knives and looks like he's about to enjoy his deed<br />
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The reasons for its commercial success can be debatable. There had been numerous theories as to how did the WB get people into theaters in the beginning, but whatever the initial marketing strategy was, and whether it was aided by the news of Heath Ledger's tragic death, it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority came out very satisfied, pleasantly surprised or shocked by the movie's adult oriented story. It also doesn't change the fact that the word of mouth carried the movie to such high position.</div>
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Joel Schumacher took Batman back to the colorful and campy tone of the 1950s and 1960s, exclaiming that a comic book movie cannot be taken seriously and that "it's called comic book, not tragic book". </div>
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While the comic book fans of the dark portrayal and the fans of the Tim Burton movies didn't necessarily share those views, the general public's perception has been altered yet again. Batman movies were now a colorful and loud entertainment for the entire family to enjoy</div>
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<span style="color: #3d85c6;"><b>David Goyer:</b> </span><i><span style="color: #3d85c6;">"Certainly darker than the Schumacher films," said Goyer. It treats the story seriously and it's also quite romantic. We were determined to create a new classic and we treated the subject matter seriously."</span></i><span style="color: #3d85c6;"> (IGN)</span><br />
<i><span style="color: #3d85c6;">My only thought was that it seemed to me that the latter ‘Batman’ films were diverging farther and farther away from how he was popularly being depicted in the comic books. That’s all I’ll say about that</span></i><span style="color: #3d85c6;">. (Rebecca Murray int 2005)</span><span style="color: #3d85c6;"><br />
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<span style="color: #3d85c6;"><b>Christian Bale</b>:</span><i><span style="color: #3d85c6;"> I think that we’d seen what a comic book movie could be with the last two Batman movies, you know, and very definitely we were trying to create something completely different.</span></i><span style="color: #3d85c6;"> (indielondon.com 2005)</span><br />
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Batman Begins did very well in theaters, however it didn't catch the world's attention like its successor did. Still, it presented the mythology through the prism of real life world and characters, and also presented an interesting Elseworld outlook: what if Batman existed in real world?</div>
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<span style="color: #3d85c6;"><b>Christopher Nolan</b>: </span><i><span style="color: #3d85c6;">My job is to translate something abstract into something concrete (...) I wanted something serious that doesn’t take itself too seriously</span></i><span style="color: #3d85c6;"> (Box Office Mojo 2005)</span></div>
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<i><span style="color: #3d85c6;">I wanted to try to do it in a more realistic fashion than anyone had ever tried to a superhero film before</span></i><span style="color: #3d85c6;"> (Guardian.co.uk 2005)</span><span style="color: #3d85c6;"><br />
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<span style="color: #3d85c6;"><em>The term “realism” is often confusing and used sort of arbitrarily. I suppose “relatable” is the word I would use. I wanted a world that was realistically portrayed, in that even though outlandish events may be taking place, and this extraordinary figure may be walking around these streets, the streets would have the same weight and validity of the streets in any other action movie. So they’d be relatable in that way. (filmcomment.com int 2012)</em></span><br />
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<span style="color: #3d85c6;"><b>David Goyer:</b></span><span style="color: #3d85c6;"> </span><i><span style="color: #3d85c6;">It’s definitely a depiction of Batman that…I mean, it’s all filtered through Chris’ vision and he is a very naturalistic director </span></i><span style="color: #3d85c6;"> (Rebecca Murray int 2005)</span></div>
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<span style="color: #3d85c6;">Christopher Nolan: <i>You’re working in a genre that is heightened reality. I like to talk about these films as having an operatic quality or being on a grand scale and a bit removed from the rhythms of real life, no matter how realistic we try to make the scenes themselves. In this scene, for instance, we went for the gritty realism in the textures of it, but it is a heightened reality. We’re trying to work on a more universal scale. If you get that right, people are going to be able to bring a wide variety of interpretations to it depending on who they are. It’s allowing the characters to be a conduit to the audience. Allowing an audience to sit there and relate to Batman and his dilemma Batpod1whether they are Republican or Democrat or whatever </i>(La Times 2008)</span><br />
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Schumacher's movies represented Batman as more of a typical, cape flowing hero with a stance of Superman, with all the elements of the dark, shadowy bat taken out.<br />
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Batman Begins brought back the signature elements of the Modern Age character that were non existent in Schumacher's movies, such as Batman sticking to the shadows, moving on the rooftops, taking poses like a bat, the black color to the outfit (Forever mixed the its first suit with silver, then presented a silver blue suit, B&R was also a mix of silver and navy blue), the classic Batman imagery to name a few, and also brought back the anger and control issues to the character.<br />
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Most importantly, BB had a heart. It wasn't predominantly a colorful loud entertainment, it was driven primarily by a believable human story. It was a rollercoaster of emotions, from anger to sadness to satisfaction, as the viewer is taken for an emotional ride along with the main character of Bruce Wayne. Wayne is much more humanized, showing to be a vulnerable man and a man that seems real unlike most of the superheroes. Also, in most superhero movies the audience feels safe when the hero appears on screen, but this time the fight was a real struggle for Batman and it wasn't something that came easily. Also, while he managed to save the entire city, his house got burned to a crisp, Arkham inmates got free and Narrows went to hell. And the hero should get a girl at the end right? Not here. He saves most of the city but looses his parents' house and the woman he has feelings for, its a tough exchange. The moment is beautifully accented by a great musical track <i>Corynorhinus</i><br />
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Bale feels like a real person and thats why humanizing the character works so well in Nolan's movies. He acts like a real person and re-acts like a real person, going through real emotions that we can identify with. The juvenile confusion and anger,pain induced anger, desires etc.<br />
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The sequel went even further with this realistic portrayal of a human character, showing that in real life good doesn't always win and that life can bring the unexpected and many terrible sacrifices and outcomes. <i>That's</i> the reality of Nolan's Batman movies<br />
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The Dark Knight grounds the story even more and dives into darker corners of reality of life. Even visually, the colors were cold blue now. TDK pushed the envelope as far as it was possible for the PG-13 rating, stirring quite a controversy at the time of its release. History repeats itself. Once again, the Batman mythology got a dark and serious makeover and once again the sequel was a subject of controversy because of it's violence and dark tone.<br />
Very soon after The Dark Knight premiered, the complaints from parents about the movie's rating started pouring in. "There has to be a way to tell parents that someone is going to get a pencil in the skull," said one of the parents to USA Today, who brought his 12-year-old son. "I'm not sure I would have brought him.". Most of the complaints pointed out to the pencil trick and the video of Joker "torturing" the Batman impostor. Such complaints mirror the criticism of the older Batman movies, in which Joker also used a writing tool to kill someone. <br />
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One would wonder why parents still haven't figured out that the current motion picture Batman is not an entertainment for a young audience, and it seems like despite Batman Begins released 3 years earlier, Joel Schumacher's movies were still imprinted in general public's mind before the TDK premiere<br />
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"I know it's a good movie, but it should have been rated R." said one of the parents to USA Today. It is no secret that The Dark Knight is a very violent movie, but it was never marketed as something else. "You have to do your homework," says Larry Olmstead, 38, of Dallas, who saw the movie with his wife but left their 10-year-old with a sitter (USA Today). However, it wasn't only the kids who felt appalled by the movie. MoviesOnline.ca published a letter from Jill, who said that "this movie needed an R rating due to the sadistic violence and disturbing images throughout. I wish I had not seen it. While I applaud the acting, parents need to be warned that the tone of this film is grossly sugar coated when it is referred to by reviewers as "dark". I would strongly encourage parents to not take children or young adults to see this film.".<br />
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<span style="color: #3d85c6;"><b>Christopher Nolan:</b> <i>If you assess the film carefully and analyze it with other films, it's not a particularly violent film actually. There is no blood. Very few people get shot and killed, compared with other action films. There's plenty violence in the film, believe me. We tried to shoot it and dress it in a very responsible way so that the intensity of the film comes more from the performances and the idea of what's happening and what might happen. A lot of the intensity comes from the threat of those things that may happen that then don't. There's definitely an intensity to that. I think the MPAA were very responsible in their assessment of the movie. I made it very clear to them that I'd gone into this knowing that it had to be a PG-13 and every day on set when we were dealing with violent issues I would be careful to tone things down and say, 'Okay, we're not going to use any blood squibs. We're not going to shoot things that can't possibly be in the film.' So it's a very bloodless film. We're dealing with a hero who won't carry a gun and who won't kill people, which is almost unique in terms of an action film. It's a conversation that I've had with the studio, with the MPAA and everyone else at different stages to say that it's very hard actually making one of these huge-scaled films with a heroic figure who's not prepared to kill people. But I think it's an interesting challenge and I think that it takes the story more interesting places</i>. (Rebecca Murray int, 2008)</span><br />
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<i>This year's Batman is no kid flick and doesn't even try to be. Its PG-13 rating should be enough to warn parents that the content isn't suitable for young children </i>(parentsdish.com)<br />
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<i>We’re way beyond film noir here. The Dark Knight has no black-and-white moral shading. Everything is dark, the tone glibly nihilistic (...) But Nolan’s The Dark Knight has one note: gloom. For Nolan, making Batman somber is the same as making it serious. This is not a triumph of comics culture commanding the mainstream: It’s giving in to bleakness. Ever since Frank Miller’s 1986 graphic-novel reinvention, The Dark Knight Returns, pop consumers have rejected traditional moral verities as corny. That might be the ultimate capitalist deception.</i> (nypress.com)<br />
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The press is certainly right about one thing, and it's that this movie isn't what you'd expect from a superhero film. It's what you'd expect from a crime drama, meaning an adult meaty story of politics, corruption, relationships and terrorism. While being a Batman movie, it doesn't rely on what superhero movies usually rely on - flashy heroic visuals, designs and thrills. If one would take Batman out of equation, the movie would still work. Some take it as a negative, however it's only a proof that the movie doesn't stand solely on the appeal of the character but rather on its story, at the same proving it can be as enjoyable and valid for those who are not into superhero and comic book movies at all.<br />
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The movie spends a great deal on characters, conversations and politics and dwells further into the drama of human stories. The hero is a loner who wants a normal life but his current personal life is a tragedy in itself. The woman he have feelings for and is ready to sacrifice everything for is with another men and reluctant to change her current path. He sacrificed his life to fight crime but gets no rewards or accolades whatsoever. The city soon betrays him and the woman is planning to leave him<br />
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Then he fails time after time and is even rejected by the city who wants to cast him out and blames him for the terror that overshadowed the city. We actually see a superhero broken spiritually and simply not being able to help no matter how much he tries. Joker's victims die one after another, the city's in terror and - the biggest hit and shocker - his childhood love dies tragically because she was involved in the twisted game Joker had planned for Batman. We see a doubled impact of Rachel's demise when it takes toll on both Wayne and Dent. We then witness the over the edge Dent who snaps psychologically and tries to murder Gordon's young son.<br />
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At the end, the city gets evacuated, paralyzed by terror, Rachel and Dent dies and Batman is casted out. All this is not what you would expect in a movie of that genre. Its all a dramatic and psychological journey which shows the opposite of what comic book movies usually show - a glorious and victorious ending for the character. TDK really shows what the most probable outcome would be in real life, the sacrifices, tragedy and half baked victory. The audiences watched the world burn<br />
At the same time the movie touches upon some moral questions, such as with the scene on the ferries.<br />
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In short, the movie does not sugarcoat reality of fighting terror and cruel and sick individuals, and presents Batman as a real person who is simply not able to do everything himself.<br />
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It is often said that 'The Dark Knight' rose the bar as far as the comic book movies, but at the same time there aren't many superhero movies that would be of a similar subject. Marvel heroes and DC's colorful characters kept dominating the silver screen in years that followed, however Watchmen was a direct descendant of TDK. It dealt with human dramas and dark side of life and it was without a doubt influenced by TDK's success.<br />
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'The Dark Knight' naturally impacted comic books as well. Here are just some examples:<br />
The Joker in 2008's graphic novel looks exactly like Heath Ledger's version. However, the influence might have been the other way around since the artist, Lee Bermejo , claims that he came up with that look before Nolan and co. did. Some claim it;s a pure coincidence that the two look exactly the same. What's the answer? Take your pick<br />
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The regular continuity Joker got a Glasgow smile</div>
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Tumbler appears in Detective Comics #850</div>
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The growling voice is referenced as well. Note that Bruce resembles Christian Bale</div>
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The TV series has been immensely popular when it hit the screens in January of 1966. It was called "the biggest TV phenomenon of the mid-1960s" in <i>Pioneers of Television</i>. At the height of its popularity, it was the only prime-time television show other than Peyton Place to be broadcast twice in one week as part of its regular schedule</div>
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While campy and light hearted, the TV show closely reflected the comic books at the time with thorough accuracy, sometimes even adapting stories from particular comic book issues. It made Batman and the Bat symbol recognizable names/images, at the same time cementing general public's view on mythology as being a colorful and camp filled fun As in the comics at the time, Batman was a blue-gray, tights wearing honorary member of the police force, working during the day with his ever present young partner Robin</div>
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The first Batman cartoon, <i>The Adventures of Batman</i>, which aired in 1968, was also virtually a continuation of the TV show with the same look, feel and adopted plenty of the same elements</div>
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A decade later in 1977 Batman series graced the silver screen again in <i>The New Adventures of Batman</i>, but despite major changes in tone and look in the comic books it remained very consistent with his "public" image that the 1960's TV show imprinted in the world's mind. </div>
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Batman and Robin also made two guest appearances in <i>The Scooby Doo Show</i> in the late 1970's, naturally in the same incarnation<br />
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The cartoons weren't the only ones keeping the image in public's eye. Adam West and Burt Ward returned as Batman and Robin in 1978's NBC Special <i>Hanna-Barbera's Legends of the Superheroes </i><br />
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The SuperFriends animated series which continued the same portrayal and which run from 1973 to 1986 (occasionally changing names)</div>
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While the 1978's <i>Superman</i> made the world look at comic book movies slightly differently and paved the way for big budget and big screen adaptations, it was still a colorful, lighthearted and family friendly entertainment. It also had little bearing and impact on the quality and tone of his immediate successors. The only superhero movies that came out after <i>Superman</i> were its sequels, <i>Flash Gordon</i>, Disney's <i>CondorMan</i> and <i>SuperGirl</i><br />
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</a>The last incarnation of the <i>SuperFriends</i> series was 1986's <i>The SuperPower Team: Galactic Guardian</i>s. It was in this series where the impact of the dark makeover that the mythology received in the comic books could be somewhat felt, even if in very small dozes. While now overlooked, this series dealt with Bruce's memory of the murder of his parents and , while very rarely, it did contain some dark Batman imagery<br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Rich Fogel </b>(writer):<i> DC particularly felt that they'd like to bring it more in line with what was going on in the comic books</i> </span><br />
<span style="color: #f1c232;"><i>That was a landmark episode, because Batman have been around for close to 50 years at that point and in any TV incarnation, in any movie incarnation, in any sort of a radio incarnation Batman's origins never really been touched on (...) Thats sort of heavy material for the 1980s cartoon show</i></span><span style="color: #f1c232;"> </span><span style="color: #f1c232;">(SuperFriends Redux: Galactic Guardians Featurette)</span><br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Alan Burnett </b>(writer) <i>It was as far as you could take superheoroes on Saturday morning television</i></span><br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Mark Vaid </b>(DC writer & historian):</span><i><span style="color: #f1c232;"> It certainly upped the stakes on the characters </span><span style="color: #f1c232;">(SuperFriends Redux: Galactic Guardians</span></i><span style="color: #f1c232;"> Featurette)</span><br />
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However, despite some of the comic books darkness creeping into the character, the character was still much more in line with his previous incarnations from mass media<br />
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By 1989, the general public who didn't follow the comic book world had one and one only image of Batman in their mind. It mostly evoked the word fun, and also meant cheery, colorful and heroic. While there's certainly nothing wrong about this version of the mythology, it did not represent what the character started off as and got back to by late 1980's in the comic books.<br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Jon Peters (producer)</b>:<i> I'd say I was doing a Batman film and people would laugh. They saw him as a guy in tights, and unlike Superman, he didn't fly </i>(Time Magazine 1989)</span><br />
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When the film was announced and in development, lawyers for DC Comics forbade Adam West from wearing his Batman costume for public appearances, in fear that his performance would be confused with the movie. <br />
It was made clear from the beginning that this is going to be a drastically different take than any else in the mass media, a much darker one reflecting the feel of the comic book storylines of the time. Tim Burton was chosen as a director for his unique, dark and expressionist imagery displayed in 1988's <i>Beetlejuice</i><br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Jon Peters (producer)</b>: <i>This Batman would be a comic book Gothic, a dark fable that would restore Bob Kane's original gloomy luster</i> (Newsweek 1989)</span><br />
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The character goes back to roots and presents not a typical hero, but a Gothic character who truly is insane, has a split personality disorder and doesn't mind killing, as his original version. Burton’s Batman is the Batman Bob Kane first envisioned when doing the early, pre-Robin issues with a bit of Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns Batman also in for good mix.<br />
Burton and his creative team really pushed the envelope as far as they could at the time, and brought him back to the roots while adding original ideas such as the suit being a black armor, the sculpted expression on the mask, the grappling hook gun and the black makeup around the eyes (a very signature and common trait in Tim Burton's characters)<br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Tim Burton: </b> <i>[the costume] was less an outfit, more a complete body suit. It isn’t tights and underwear worn on the outside, but a complete operatic costume to overstate the image ‘Batman’ has of himself.</i></span><i> </i><span style="color: #f1c232;">(AMC)</span><span style="color: #f1c232;"><br />
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<i><span style="color: #f1c232;">Back in the late 1980s, Tim Burton took [Alan] Moore to lunch to pick his brains about making the first Batman movie. Moore's advice was "get Gotham City right"</span></i><span style="color: #f1c232;">.(guardian.co.uk int.2002)</span></div>
<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Alan Moore</b> (The Killing Joke writer): </span><i><span style="color: #f1c232;">I told them [Tim Burton and Samm Hamm] to make it dark and serious and exorcise the ghost of Adam West</span></i><span style="color: #f1c232;"> (Ian Winterton Interview 2002)</span><br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Tim Burton: </b><i>Darkness seemed very inherent in this piece from the start, when (writer) Sam Hamm and I were going over the script. Batman lives by night, and we wanted to explore the man behind him, Bruce Wayne, who really has a dark past to confront. It's a tale of primal emotions</i>. (The San Diego Tribune 1989)</span><br />
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While the return to the dark approach was applauded by the Batman comic book fans, some of the original ideas weren't met with positive response at first. For example, the idea that Batman will not be wearing spandex created a stir at the beginning, with some fans and journalist exclaiming that Batman should not be wearing a body armor and criticized his look comparing him to RoboCop. Example:<br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><i>Keaton's Batman costume--it looks more like Robocop's armor than Batman's traditional gray cloth</i> (The Boston Globe 1989)</span><br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><i>When he puts on his Batmuscles and his Bathat, his Batjock, his Batgauntlets and his world heavyweight's Batbelt, almost nothing is left of him but glitteringly blue-gray eyes and a voluptuously full mouth</i> (LA Times 1989) </span><br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Adam West:</b> <i>Batman isn't RoboCop or Dirty Harry, Batman is a fun character.</i>(The Toronto Star 1988)</span><br />
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Also there was some backlash about the lone Batman and Robin not being there. Even the dark mood and tone met with some criticism from those who were accustomed to the previous portrayals<i><span style="color: #f1c232;"> </span></i><br />
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<i><span style="color: #f1c232;">Is it fun? Not much, Gotham City fans, not much. It's a murky, brooding piece, set in a twisted city almost choked with evil and inertia, and Bruce Wayne, half of its hero's dual identities, is very nearly in the same fix</span></i><span style="color: #f1c232;"> (LA Times 1989)</span><br />
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Also,while changing voice may sound to many nowadays that its just a natural thing to do, it was never mentioned in the comic books before 89 and not used in any of the serials or the TV show or any of the cartoons and radio shows before 89<br />
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The Tim Burton Batman was a stark contrast to the previous public image of Batman in many ways, sending shock throughout the audiences for its darkness and approach and satisfaction to the comic book fans, at the same time retaining some of the wackiness of the TV show<br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Tim Burton:</b> <i>My tone fell somewhere between the TV series and the new dark comics</i> (The Boston Globe June 1989) </span><br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Bruce Timm</b>: <i>Thank God for the Tim Burton movie because it was so extremely darker than anybody had seen Batman before in any kind of mass media </i>(Wizard 2006)</span><br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Eric Radomski</b> (BTAS co-creator): <i>The previous incarnations of Batman I'd seen growing up, the Filmation animated version, that series they did with Adam West, they were all just a bunch of goofs. They were dopey versions of a character that could be really strong and dramatic, and when I saw Tim Burton's movie, I thought that was a good way of looking at this character</i> (Animation World Magazine)</span><br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Mark Hammil:</b> [The 1989 film] <i>was dark and sophisticated completely the opposite of the television show.</i>(Legends of the Dark Knight doc) </span> <br />
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While today the movie isn't shocking with its dark tone and approach, and the Gothic macabre and some camp is more lighthearted, one must look at the right perspective and remember the superhero movies that came before the movie. All very colorful, lighthearted and family friendly movies. <i>Batman</i> was the first superhero movie which showed a gun pointed at a child, charred corpses, implied torturing and its visual results (Alicia) and even visible shotwounds to the face<br />
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<i><span style="color: #f1c232;">“Batman” was aesthetically and thematically so dark that on the eve of release in Belgium, a few months after its stateside release, it was banned. Children under 16 weren't allowed to see it. Despite the fact that the Board had recently approved the “Rambo” movies and “License to Kill,” they held to their guns. “Batman” was perceived as much more dangerous than those other violent films dark tone and sensibility were more frightening than violence. The Belgian Police was actually present at cinemas to enforce the ruling<br />
The 1966-1968 “Bat-Man” TV series destroyed the comic book hero in general, leaving in its place campy and glorified superheroes like Christopher Reeves's “Superman” of the early 1980s, 1989's “Batman,” in turn, destroyed this second phase. </span></i><span style="color: #f1c232;">(NY Times writer Emanuel Levy)</span><br />
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The movie also showed Gotham City as a city filled with thugs, prostitutes, poverty and corruption<br />
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While the TV Show put Batman amongst one of the most recognizable comic book heroes, the 1989 movie made Batman a household name and an icon. Rarely does it happen that the movie becomes such a culture phenomenal, and even before its release for that matter. The fans camped out for about 5 days in front of the theater for the premiere.<br />
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<i>Batman was like nothing that's come before or since. And that's taking into reflection the immense hype that led up to The Phantom Menace ten years ago which itself was a one of a kind event but still not on the same level as the critical mass that Batman '89 had achieved. Have you forgotten the buzzcuts of the Bat-symbol that people were getting shaved into the back of their hair? Do you remember when you could walk into a theater and see a sea of teens wearing Batman t-shirts? Back in December 1988 people bought a ticket to see the Batman trailer playing in front of Tequila Sunrise and then left after it was shown. Batman posters were consistently stolen from bus shelters (how the thieves sold them in the days before eBay still remains a mystery to this day.) DC Comics recorded its best year ever for the sale of Batman comic books that year and the movie's soundtrack (with it's 9 songs written and performed by Prince) became number one hits. And this was before there was a World Wide Web and the rise of sites that report the latest movie news scant moments after it breaks. Burton's Batman was one of those ultra-rare pop culture phenomenas when the hype for a movie and its merchandise both became white hot at the same time. The kids that love Twilight have nothing on what went down in the summer of '89</i>. (Coming Attractions) <br />
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<span style="color: #ffd966;"><b>Michael Uslan</b> (producer Batman-The Dark Knight Rises): <i>When the first Batman movie came out in 1989 it was revolutionary. People really can’t grasp that. There was nothing like this ever before. And it not only broke all the box office records, but it really impacted the world culture. You could not walk through Times Square that summer, seriously, fifty steps, without seeing someone in a Batman t-shirt or a Batman hat. People were breaking into bus stops to get the posters. People were going to see movies, paying full price, that were showing the Batman trailer. And then they would leave after the trailer. It was amazing what was going on. </i>(hollywood.com int)</span><br />
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The premiere was attended by some of the biggest stars at the time, such as Sylvester Stallone, Eddie Murphy, River Phoenix and Tom Seleck<br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Christopher Nolan:</b> <i>The 1989 Batman film that Tim Burton did, that tone has defined comic book movies</i> (BO Mojo int.)</span><br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><i>The movie also created a new template for Hollywood studios and filmmakers, who never looked at comic books quite the same way</i> (LA Times) </span> <br />
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It's impact and influence was felt instantly, when it was followed by such superhero/comic book movies as R rated <i>The Punisher</i>, much darker than expected <i>TMNT</i> and <i>Darkman</i>. Even the 1991's Robin Hood depicted Robin Hood not in green thighs but in studded black leather instead, and was the darkest and most violent version at the time<br />
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The public image of the mythology was now changed as well, and it was darkness and Gothic themes that registered in public's mind when thinking of Batman. The influence on the perception was made even clearer when the first Batman animated series that came out after Tim Burton's movie was the darkest cartoon ever at that point, featuring bullets for the first time (it was previously shown as lasers) and having very adult and sophisticated storylines - a lot of time inappropriate for children.<br />
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The Batman: Animated Series was, in a way, an extension of the Tim Burton movies and featured similar design directly inspired by the movie, same timeless feel (1940s world with modern elements), similar designs and characters, soundtrack made in the same style and even borrowing the main theme<br />
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<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Eric Radomski </span></b><span style="color: #f1c232;">(BTAS co-creator): </span><i><span style="color: #f1c232;">Literally the first piece that I did [on BTAS] was lights of a city reflected on a wet pavement, and that was also inspired by the drama of Burton's movie. </span></i><span style="color: #f1c232;">(Animation World Magazine)</span><br />
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<b><span style="color: #f1c232;">Paul Dini: </span></b><i><span style="color: #f1c232;">When Tim Burton's Batman came out, that was the way to go</span></i><span style="color: #f1c232;"> (animationarena.com)</span><br />
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<i>The Joker, with his gruesome death dealing, is also the cautionary figure for parents of young children. Take that PG-13 very seriously; this is where bad dreams are born </i>(LA Times 1989)<br />
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<i>"We both like to push it," says Keaton, speaking of himself and Burton as they sat on a sofa in a North Hollywood hotel. Their take on Batman is a dark one, befitting an age that looks upon heroes as flawed, or dubious, or both. (...) It's an oppressive story, a dark story with operatic images, set in a sort of fantastical caricature of New York" </i>(The Boston Globe June 1989)<br />
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<i>Burton made Batman a triumph of dark, throbbingly industrial style, with a multiplaned Gotham City of shadows that is like Fritz Lang Revisited </i>(The San Diego Tribune 1989)<br />
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<i>Dark, haunting and poetic, Tim Burton's Batman is a magnificent living comic book. From its opening shots, as the camera descends into the grim, teeming streets of Gotham City, the movie fixes you in its gravitational pull. It's an enveloping, walk-in vision. You enter into it as you would a magical forest in a fairy tale, and the deeper you're drawn into it, the more frighteningly vivid it becomes.</i> (...) <i>When Batman makes his entrance, unfurling his cape to display its full wingspan, the image carries a charge of supernatural grandeur. In black from ear-tip to toe, this Batman is truly a larger-than-life figure, potent and terrifying, and the flourish with which he's brought onstage allows him to rise to his full superhero stature</i>. <i>(...) In some ways, it's a masterpiece of pulp, the work of a true artist.</i> (The Washington Post 1989)<br />
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<i>Batman is comic-book mayhem come to life. It's simultaneously real and surreal, overwhelming the senses as it plunges to psychodramatic depths devised by director Tim Burton and screenwriters Sam Hamm and Warren Skaaren.</i> (Newsweek 1989)<br />
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<i>"I've seen the film twice and I liked it, I enjoyed it," says Frank Link, 41, the owner of Comic Universe stores in suburban Philadelphia, who has been reading Batman comics since he was a kid. "I was one of the first to be on the other side of the coin--the anti-Keaton side--but after seeing it I came away, ironically, feeling that they didn't give me enough of him. It left me wanting more of Batman, more of Keaton.</i><br />
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<i>"Everybody's talking about it. It's been great. . . . Over-all, everyone was quite pleased with it and we were afraid we wouldn't be, considering all the hype."</i><br />
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<i>Jason Gingrich, a 33-year-old investment banker from Wilmington, Pa., exiting Fat Jack's Comicrypt in Philadelphia last week with a fat stack of new issues, also applauded Keaton. "He pulled it off and then some. I found myself wanting more of Batman, more about his secret life."</i><br />
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<i>Even Harlan Ellison, the grand pooh-bah of sci-fi and fantasy aficionados, has made a 180-degree Batturn.</i> (Toronto Star 1989)<br />
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<i>- " I loved Batman for zillion years, I was worried that with all the publicity it might not live up to it. It surpasses it. This is great"</i><br />
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<i>Vanna White: I feel like I'm at the Academy Awards!</i><br />
<i>Glen Close: Its incredible</i><br />
<i>Melanie Griffith: I'm just excited about the whole thing</i><br />
<i>Jeffrey Jones: Its powerful, its mythic, its big and psychologically complex </i><i><br />
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<i>Henry Winkler: It's truly unbelievable, I mean Michael Keaton is as good as it gets. Jack nicholson - there is no one else to play the Joker, it is unbelievable</i><br />
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<span style="font-size: xx-small;">Panel from Batman #475 and Legends Of The Dark Knight #27 and Batman #476</span><br />
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Some of the other influences include adopting the name Jack Napier (although in the comics his name is Jack Reipan, it's simply Napier backwards), <br />
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GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com52tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-68678264062104335522011-12-01T09:24:00.000-08:002012-01-08T16:03:10.520-08:00How Old is Batman and Joker?<div align="justify"><span style="font-size: x-large;">T</span>he "contemporary" age of Bruce Wayne is actually relatively easy to pinpoint. Wayne always had one age at which he stopped aging in the comic book continuity, one age that was given to him to last and be one of his defining physical characteristics. Lets start from the genesis of the character</div><div align="justify">Bob Kane mentioned in the late 1980's that he envisioned Bruce Wayne as being like young Cary Grant ( via BRT). Cary Grant was 35 in 1939 when Batman/Bruce Wayne was born creatively.</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="justify">This is very much in line with Batman's age established in Modern continuity - 34. Batman #599 states that Bruce Wayne's parents were murdered when Bruce was nine, nearly 25 years ago. That would make Bruce 34. </div><br />
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<div align="justify">One noticeable difference between the two continuities is that Modern Age I establishes that Bruce debuted as Batman at the age of 25, Year One in particular. So in contemporary timeline, Batman is purging crime from Gotham City's streets for 9 years</div><div align="justify"><br />
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* At the time of the shoot Adam West was 38 and finished up at the age of 40, which would make him 4 years older than the comic book counterpart at the beginning of the series<br />
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</div><div align="center">* At the time of the Batman Forever shoot Val Kilmer was 36<br />
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</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">* George Clooney was 36 at the time of the Batman & Robin shoot. It is interesting to note that at the time Clooney described Batman as being a "35 year old guy", whether it was a lucky guess or did DC supplied him with the info on the character is unknown.</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
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<div align="center"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #b45f06;">BATMAN BEGINS</span></span></div><br />
*At the time of the shoot for Batman Begins Bale was 30, making him the youngest actor to play the character in theatrical Batman movies, and making him 4 years younger than his comic book counterpart.<br />
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<div align="center"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;">THE DARK KNIGHT</span></span></div><div align="center"><br />
</div><div align="center">He was 34 on the shoot for The Dark Knight</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLBNYxe8xbGPY717VfBhYOhnCD3JsH6jxWyik9C6nYsCTNQhn40zn-mkdyhNGucd23D7L_qJttdZQViqGDj6PbuLislWOGJ7Ut1HBt1MtFDG6X2LFbwsXzfb5CQ8i9T9-uQRoxPDoKMQc/s1600/tdk_0427.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="151" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLBNYxe8xbGPY717VfBhYOhnCD3JsH6jxWyik9C6nYsCTNQhn40zn-mkdyhNGucd23D7L_qJttdZQViqGDj6PbuLislWOGJ7Ut1HBt1MtFDG6X2LFbwsXzfb5CQ8i9T9-uQRoxPDoKMQc/s320/tdk_0427.png" width="320" /></a></div><br />
<div align="center"><span style="font-size: x-large;">THE DARK KNIGHT RISES</span></div><br />
<div align="center">and 37 for The Dark Knight Rises</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWdQmHf9kP2QQpRRXBN3uM6hciPE70TwG1X4sjs4mmkeY4TvR01OHvL5-rqS8oYYVc3MkkfXUvKaW7krdv-oQflwUbI8xSglJV2aXZ5p_HmmqfZIhyphenhyphenowZPbnXLiSh39kKyicArQ-x_BEs/s320/baleagetdkr.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWdQmHf9kP2QQpRRXBN3uM6hciPE70TwG1X4sjs4mmkeY4TvR01OHvL5-rqS8oYYVc3MkkfXUvKaW7krdv-oQflwUbI8xSglJV2aXZ5p_HmmqfZIhyphenhyphenowZPbnXLiSh39kKyicArQ-x_BEs/s320/baleagetdkr.JPG" /></a></div><br />
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<div align="center"><span style="color: magenta;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">J</span><span style="font-size: large;">OKER</span></span></div><br />
<div align="justify"> <span style="font-size: large;">J</span>oker's age is never directly mentioned in the comic books. The common notion is that Joker is much older than Wayne, probably stemming from the TV show and the 1989 movie, however it seems like they're the same age. The idea of Joker being older than Batman might also come from the fact that the artwork often depicted Joker as someone looking like an aged man in late 30's or early 40's, or the idea alone that he's a gangster and a leader of mobsters in the Golden and Silver eras, something that usually seasoned, older gangsters could be. </div><div align="justify"><br />
</div><div align="justify">Let's again start with the genesis of the character. Joker's appearance was based on Conrad Veidt's character from the movie "The Man Who Laughs", which is a nice way of saying that Bob Kane simply drew the character on paper without any changes. Kane was a self proclaimed copycat and the Joker was virtually the Veidt character with green hair</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="justify">Conrad Veidt was 35 in "The Man Who Laughs" and since Joker was an on-paper depiction of the character from the movie, it was therefore depiction of a 35 year old man. </div><div align="justify">This would also more or less match the Modern Age depiction of the character. So Batman was said to start his crime fighting career at the age of 25 and Joker fell into the chemicals shortly after Batman's first appearance when he was still a gasp inducing novelty. If he's the same age that Batman is, that would make him 25 by the time he made the jump which would match the physical depiction of the character and the story - in The Killing Joke the comedian (later in continuity named Jack) is depicted as a young man who is struggling to find a job and support his pregnant wife who's expecting their first baby. So then in contemporary timeline, 9 years later, Joker would also be 34/35 and that would match the original character.</div><div align="justify"><br />
</div><div align="center"><span style="font-size: large;">IN THE MOVIES</span></div><div align="center"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #ffe599;">BATMAN</span></span></div><div align="justify"><br />
</div><div align="center">* At the time of the shoot Cesar Romero was 59 and finished up at the age of 61, which would make him 24 years older than the comic book counterpart at the beginning of the series</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEipdEIzdbU9E6D7AtZ7DUfi3HOpTlJiqZ_ysvN1G3IOGMNPztHoeu3WxfbJ8w8nW4SQMAfTKduwYS27EOlEBLK9NXWtleGspiiybo74Sj77sE5KdskKZVLNo4UIt-LAq7pcXM_Njhv8CqY/s1600/romero-joker_64735.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEipdEIzdbU9E6D7AtZ7DUfi3HOpTlJiqZ_ysvN1G3IOGMNPztHoeu3WxfbJ8w8nW4SQMAfTKduwYS27EOlEBLK9NXWtleGspiiybo74Sj77sE5KdskKZVLNo4UIt-LAq7pcXM_Njhv8CqY/s320/romero-joker_64735.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="center">* Jack Nicholson was 52 at the time of the Batman shoot, continuing the TV shows depiction of Joker as being much older than Batman. He was 17 years older than his comic book counterpart</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjITjpY_a66Fx3mmgoVpoPr-HbO2n0xfwC2r93hTUTva45FH6rUO50AhEm3h35IctIvgzmRMh9isPRY5HIBsH21aJfvC5xlOvxYIKfjaHKDdQz7oTFH8-XEGY4k_K22hbNTUIe9mbXSHM0/s1600/Btmn_0384.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjITjpY_a66Fx3mmgoVpoPr-HbO2n0xfwC2r93hTUTva45FH6rUO50AhEm3h35IctIvgzmRMh9isPRY5HIBsH21aJfvC5xlOvxYIKfjaHKDdQz7oTFH8-XEGY4k_K22hbNTUIe9mbXSHM0/s320/Btmn_0384.png" width="320" /></a></div><div align="justify"><br />
</div><div align="center"><span style="color: #3d85c6;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">THE DARK KNIGHT</span></span></div><div align="justify"><br />
</div><div align="center">* Heath Ledger was 29 at the time of The Dark Knight shoot. He was 6 years younger than his comic book counterpart</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEimkNgeHcml4EAAUpZNn4Ew0wdcliAf3Ai9DN86VafdhRQE3WIycSVPgWgUT46HVgnMmAUwc38M2DNqv70Kcok8q56QyZNegaJMEJ_s7sxaIhKUTlYrZRVWG9SVJq6xbk2Bm2swo0N3848/s1600/tdk_0490.PNG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="174" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEimkNgeHcml4EAAUpZNn4Ew0wdcliAf3Ai9DN86VafdhRQE3WIycSVPgWgUT46HVgnMmAUwc38M2DNqv70Kcok8q56QyZNegaJMEJ_s7sxaIhKUTlYrZRVWG9SVJq6xbk2Bm2swo0N3848/s320/tdk_0490.PNG" width="320" /></a></div><br />
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</div>GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com42tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-14024417610817768132011-11-10T13:14:00.000-08:002011-12-19T20:34:19.300-08:00When does 'Batman' take place?<div style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #f1c232; font-family: "Times", "Times New Roman", serif; font-size: x-large;">N</span>ot many may know, but despite the feeling of timelessness of the Tim Burton universe that he created for his Batman movies and which the 1992 Animated Series emulated, the movie is actually set in a specific year. The year is actually confirmed at least 3 times in the movie.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;">The first time the year the movie is set in is revealed is when we are introduced to Vicky Vale. Take a look at the headlines in Gotham Globe that she's reading. One of them mentions Mexican President Miguel Aleman being hailed on American Parade. That event happened during Motorcade parade in <b><u><span style="color: #f1c232;">1947</span></u></b> when President Truman and U.S. gave President Aleman a very warm welcome</div><br />
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<div style="text-align: justify;">The second clue can be found in another newspaper in which the headline says <i>"Universal Service urged by Truman in Princeton talk: President speaks from steps of Nassau Hall at the Close of Bicentennial festivities" . </i>Of course this event also happened in history. The closing days of Princeton's yearlong Bicentennial celebration, the final weekend of which, from Reunions through Commencement, saw Princeton hosting a remarkable collection of people and events - President Harry S. Truman delivered a national address from the steps of Nassau Hall during Commencement in <b><u><span style="color: #f1c232;">1947</span></u></b>.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;">The third clue can be found in the very same newspaper, in another headline saying: "<i>Mayor Hague Ends 30 years in the Office</i>". Frank Hague was a mayor of Jersey City from 1917 to <b><u><span style="color: #f1c232;">1947</span></u></b>.</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;">The newspaper also mentions Ferenc Nagy as Hungary's Prime Minister. Nagy was elected for this title in <b><u><span style="color: #f1c232;">1947</span></u></b></div><br />
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Also, the date on the newspapers doesn't reveal the year but says "November 7, Friday". November 7th fell on a Friday in <b><u><span style="color: #f1c232;">1947</span></u></b><br />
All this is visually confirmed by the look and architecture of Gotham City which represents the Industrial Era America, 1940s in particular<br />
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</div><span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Anton Furst, the designer:</b> <i>We imagined what New York City might have become without a planning commission. A city run by crime, with a riot of architectural styles. An essay in ugliness. As if hell erupted through the pavement and kept on going' </i>(Time 1989)</span><br />
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The fashion also represents that certain time period, with everyone wearing hats and clothes from the Al Capone era. <br />
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<div style="text-align: justify;">Most of the technology reflects it as well if you take a look at the microphones, typewriters, cameras<br />
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</div>and guns. For example, Bob the Goon's handgun is a Col M1911A1. Joker's goons either use World War II hangunds, Webley Mk IV, or M1928 Thompson also called Tommyguns.<br />
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</div>Even the machine gun in the Batmobile ,Browning M1919, is an old gun used during World War II and also in latter decades<br />
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Of course there's no shortage of surreality in Tim Burton's movies, and the time frame is no different. While the movie is set in 1947, there are elements in it placed from a completely different time period that stick out yet are fully accepeted. One of such elements is Vicky Vale who represents the contemporary times, 1980's in particular. With her clothes and style she is very unlike the 1940's women presented in the movie. For example, Alicia and other women are presented as perfectly matching the timeframe with their appearances like makeup, clothing and fashion</div><br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">Vicky is an outside element who fully represents the 80's</div><br />
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That idea is even underlined by the fact that her portfolio consist of photos of models who are clearly representing the fashion of the 1980's<br />
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<div style="text-align: justify;">She is truly a relict from the future and even her accessories come from the 80's, such as her Nikon camera or her phone. The interesting thing is that she's actually only a visitor in Gotham , and she comes from someplace else.</div><div style="text-align: justify;">Then there are cars from the 1970's and 1980's such as Plymouth police cars, and some weapons from 50's. Small audio tape recorders and 80s Prince music are also present, which all create a surreal mix of various elements from different eras mixed in together<br />
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To add to the confusion, even though the world is that of 1947 and gets through the same historical events as the world did that year, and experiences the same fashion trends and looks, the year is actually <u><b><span style="color: #f1c232;">1989</span></b></u> - that is the date given on the <i>Wanted </i>poster handed out by Lt. Eckheardt<br />
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</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">To sum it up, as one of the posters said, its like if 1947 somewhat existed in 1989. It's pretty much 1947 with elements of 1989, not the other way around. As a side note, there's another clue to the actual time on the CIA files that Joker got his hands on. It states the the nerve gas has been discontinued in 1977</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
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</div></div>GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com34tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-68614389894958931872011-10-25T21:10:00.000-07:002012-01-26T10:11:27.959-08:00Batman's Physique<div style="text-align: justify;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiNB3QAsOy-L9sgfNRDFZIM7ii6o5ccBqd2kkxDItr3x9HdZ3HhJqWu70qIVCvyFqzOGfSu7Pkj2PiP5CuYlMZ99w2RPjfuVvS-P5RHIVTNHrw0_0ILPBIux3BiQLFKuKkEodXDLhZVlnQ/s1600/feb070257d.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiNB3QAsOy-L9sgfNRDFZIM7ii6o5ccBqd2kkxDItr3x9HdZ3HhJqWu70qIVCvyFqzOGfSu7Pkj2PiP5CuYlMZ99w2RPjfuVvS-P5RHIVTNHrw0_0ILPBIux3BiQLFKuKkEodXDLhZVlnQ/s320/feb070257d.jpg" width="118" /></a><span style="font-size: x-large;"><br />
</span></div><span style="font-size: x-large;">W</span>hile some facial features will differ slightly due to variety of styles among the artists, the comic book characters have been more or less consistent throughout their respective eras. The writers and artists have a list of criteria and basic information on each character that they must follow. The interesting thing is that while Batman had always have consistent features and physical attributes within certain continuities, they're not a common knowledge. There are always deviations from time to time in specials that aren't a part of continuity or one offs, but the regular series had been very much consistent within itself</div><div style="text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div style="text-align: justify;">Bruce Wayne/Batman for the most part wasn't a muscular type of a person that relied on strength. He wasn't built like a bodybuilder or weigh lifter. While strong and slim, his main attributes were an amazing agility, speed and reflexes. His athletic skills were more than exceptional, and he was even able to move and swing in the air like Spider-Man</div><br />
<div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Panel below from Batman #425</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUGcqrJjNz82wMBW3VBJyt3t0d7FTCJC7UMcXvgY3Q1itEYOzIlg1J8A3RYIvg6DFh4aUmYWIaCwZzp9jpo16CYUXAvbGTNho3kBcsH2aXoGOJhoaF0ICDQMT2EKNb5GnZ8SOE00t1LTY/s1600/batman_475_pg16-1.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="230" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUGcqrJjNz82wMBW3VBJyt3t0d7FTCJC7UMcXvgY3Q1itEYOzIlg1J8A3RYIvg6DFh4aUmYWIaCwZzp9jpo16CYUXAvbGTNho3kBcsH2aXoGOJhoaF0ICDQMT2EKNb5GnZ8SOE00t1LTY/s320/batman_475_pg16-1.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br />
<div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Panel below from Detective Comics #589</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEimxIbDnCq64LsV4OmUXy_3UGtPmAvo4fiWJinXIeC1O-_oGgAaOm4NKYKkgd4NnAbssLI6dwh-Uu1Bw4URa4fZejxQGRLC_eWPO2O5Yn5OI6E-Opnx_SPCtlWY_DAcjc0SuehqFDHJVIM/s1600/detective_589_pg13.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEimxIbDnCq64LsV4OmUXy_3UGtPmAvo4fiWJinXIeC1O-_oGgAaOm4NKYKkgd4NnAbssLI6dwh-Uu1Bw4URa4fZejxQGRLC_eWPO2O5Yn5OI6E-Opnx_SPCtlWY_DAcjc0SuehqFDHJVIM/s320/detective_589_pg13.jpg" width="204" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Panel below from Detective Comics #582</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BeDQ3VGmfUQ/Tv09mPbcIvI/AAAAAAAACqw/EaqwU-sdAgE/s1600/acrobaticsbnb.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="77" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BeDQ3VGmfUQ/Tv09mPbcIvI/AAAAAAAACqw/EaqwU-sdAgE/s320/acrobaticsbnb.JPG" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
</div>The entire point of wearing a spandex suit is a complete freedom of movement. For a man relying on his unmatched speed and agility, the freedom of movement is the most important thing<br />
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<div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Panel below from Detective comics #614</span></div><br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">He was even shown dodging bullets <i>numerous</i> times back in the 80's..</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkDZs26XVRo_DhubM7I_EAliArOnhFi1qpP5yrKmbx4eYNzh8hOmpIk4ZglwGVpPCE8iOm8EvT7wo80VwJGeNuIcH0YsMB5RmrwlH_bJiKXSlh7D6kM6Gc8scKK8fcaqw31huZogklwxM/s1600/detectivecomics577199ik.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="241" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkDZs26XVRo_DhubM7I_EAliArOnhFi1qpP5yrKmbx4eYNzh8hOmpIk4ZglwGVpPCE8iOm8EvT7wo80VwJGeNuIcH0YsMB5RmrwlH_bJiKXSlh7D6kM6Gc8scKK8fcaqw31huZogklwxM/s320/detectivecomics577199ik.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqpmOSD24lSxRe5sN_A_4J5ylmJ1gbFnLZducOL2AXU1u434OJ5Z2MSYXPjvjme7lEDQmiOWLmUgF8VEQaQqy9QC2BgXYSrK6Yom6cJr3H7bE9FG6sL7UedVROs8kQDaLcWz7Nb7lGy9k/s1600/dc590doding.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="218" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqpmOSD24lSxRe5sN_A_4J5ylmJ1gbFnLZducOL2AXU1u434OJ5Z2MSYXPjvjme7lEDQmiOWLmUgF8VEQaQqy9QC2BgXYSrK6Yom6cJr3H7bE9FG6sL7UedVROs8kQDaLcWz7Nb7lGy9k/s320/dc590doding.JPG" width="320" /></a></div><br />
<div style="text-align: center;">..and still is today</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCSsCqMYOzi1ehoMbViyJqp6CalRi0Sd5T1T56aGHoJO7XmVSEjGgars5zt8ojZ4yfNucwAFRfzJq5C_QTeoLeW7WyiJm7ISJ2_-2YsZTCTEtu56lyI9HU7-YHndcFeADXonW9Bjgkhho/s1600/asdfer8.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgCSsCqMYOzi1ehoMbViyJqp6CalRi0Sd5T1T56aGHoJO7XmVSEjGgars5zt8ojZ4yfNucwAFRfzJq5C_QTeoLeW7WyiJm7ISJ2_-2YsZTCTEtu56lyI9HU7-YHndcFeADXonW9Bjgkhho/s320/asdfer8.jpg" width="269" /></a></div><br />
Bruce Wayne is officially 6'2 tall and weights 210 lbs according to the official Who's Who in DC Universe<br />
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</a></div>As already mentioned, Batman has a slim and athletic body, but by no means does he look like a bodybuilder or weight lifter. While he lifts weights as well and has a well shaped body, his practice consists of very acrobatic maneuvers.<br />
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The point is, it was Batman's agility, not the physical strength or muscles that were his prime attributes. In the very beginning though, it was somewhat different<br />
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The first time we get to see Batman shirtless is in 1939's Detective Comics #29 when he gets shot and goes to the doctor to fix the wound. He is shown as a man in shape but the early style of the comic books was very stylized and not as detailed. For example, the doctor is shown to be wide as well<br />
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It was Batman's origins, first appearing in 1939's Detective Comics #33, that flat out stated and showed that Bruce is incredibly strong and his body is a "physical perfection"<br />
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That physique was very consistent, even if the art was very stylized. Panel below from 1940's Batman #2<br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">His exceptional strength became very apparent very quickly</div><br />
<div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Panel below from Detective Comics # 44</span></div><br />
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<div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Panel below from Batman #3</span></div><div style="text-align: center;"><br />
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The art got more and more detailed starting with late 60's, eventually morphing into the standard style for the comic books in the 70's. As the art changed and the Batman universe experienced its revolution, switching gears to more serious stories, Batman's physique wasn't that of a weightlifter anymore and his body was streamlined significantly. He was now shown as a man in a very good shape, but nothing exceptional or out of norm for a man his age and height. The change wasn't only visual - the stories for the first time humanized the character, showing him actually struggle with heavy things<br />
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<div align="center">Batman lifting someone in the 1940's...</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiC0DBnijafXkYUcpss-SWnMESZgASOVSMFA4Q1_ZImOMHBazSlkkk7xobyfCWAqGwd6Suu8g3sL7apPbBvuE2a6EzfeRee5IMtK4JMHstoWzA1Yica6YnQ6-zMzqkCsaU3z0sjgSKfkH0/s1600/batphys2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiC0DBnijafXkYUcpss-SWnMESZgASOVSMFA4Q1_ZImOMHBazSlkkk7xobyfCWAqGwd6Suu8g3sL7apPbBvuE2a6EzfeRee5IMtK4JMHstoWzA1Yica6YnQ6-zMzqkCsaU3z0sjgSKfkH0/s1600/batphys2.jpg" /></a></div><br />
<div align="center">and in the late 1960's </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhg3X_oWHr1-RIhfI1lqnbCfYvPEsguLuE92DqA2fvYjBy3ve4wn1UkB9HyR7L4G2NmGYIn_83_l1X0WDit8Eh4PbavHSu2kWQ5gVUM-SYNSYVujfPwg65fgMLpu3cnURsX0LWtC38s7Ag/s1600/batphys5.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhg3X_oWHr1-RIhfI1lqnbCfYvPEsguLuE92DqA2fvYjBy3ve4wn1UkB9HyR7L4G2NmGYIn_83_l1X0WDit8Eh4PbavHSu2kWQ5gVUM-SYNSYVujfPwg65fgMLpu3cnURsX0LWtC38s7Ag/s320/batphys5.jpg" width="210" /></a></div><br />
<div align="center">He was still well built and muscular, but he didnt have any exceptionally huge muscles and abs. </div><br />
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<div align="center">In other words his physique now was more human, more down to Earth, more common looking</div><br />
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As one can notice from those examples, Bruce is not a bodybuilder type, but is built like a typical man in shape. Strength and size weren't his calling cards, the swiftness in movement, fighting styles and acrobatic skills were.<br />
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<div style="text-align: center;">This stature remained consistent for many years. </div><br />
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<div align="center">In the late 80's he was gaining more and more muscles</div><br />
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In 1991's Legends of the Dark Knight #16 Bruce was shown as being even more ripped, but the story still stressed out that he's no bodybuilder<br />
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Batman sometimes performed amazing fits and could have a boost of strength that would be almost impossible for a human being, but that was due to his strong and sudden rush of adrenaline and/or anger<br />
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</div>So in general the physical depiction of Batman was very consistent, but as mentioned before, there were occasional deviations. One of them is the famous 1986's Year One which hints at Batman's exceptional physical strength<br />
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The mid/late 90's started changing Batman's body more and more. In time he was given much, much more strength and his body and muscles grew in size as the years progressed. Soon he was shown to perform such inhuman tasks as kicking in steel doors, ripping out prison bars and punching through the hood of the car. He was visibly bigger and could lift 1000 lbs as his daily routine<br />
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</div><div align="center"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Panel below from Batman #655</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiq11-ofb6UoQCZJARMZmhwXZSV-cqovOxk6dS9jTK_WByslFHYOtEUBUFdZfNX6E66zPt6_yIVwZc3g-HqFGU7A2br_pKLPQJvwFBEuvIe8PwObk1j21FD7avk5bGOa-j719GdnUps_tc/s1600/batweightraining.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="117" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiq11-ofb6UoQCZJARMZmhwXZSV-cqovOxk6dS9jTK_WByslFHYOtEUBUFdZfNX6E66zPt6_yIVwZc3g-HqFGU7A2br_pKLPQJvwFBEuvIe8PwObk1j21FD7avk5bGOa-j719GdnUps_tc/s320/batweightraining.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div align="center"><br />
</div><div align="center"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Panel below from Batman Tenses</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiNVVHXWWOG3qF0Imk4DtnCBLCihBvinfvrxEkHhZSi0CJrV3BZfmxHbVwzH9R-1NxbBa1ZjUuEWtmD-DmEJimdjEfcwpCtrv0yEOAbxLuWpDbrXQcEi7XSn9Jx6tI0bM5Dt2S153BJoW4/s1600/batweightraining2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiNVVHXWWOG3qF0Imk4DtnCBLCihBvinfvrxEkHhZSi0CJrV3BZfmxHbVwzH9R-1NxbBa1ZjUuEWtmD-DmEJimdjEfcwpCtrv0yEOAbxLuWpDbrXQcEi7XSn9Jx6tI0bM5Dt2S153BJoW4/s320/batweightraining2.jpg" width="196" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0C_yFkJXYcRDFWxG3Q-qnK5XQmpLD82s6y3tl8Gjbe1EYgFMGkhRFynGQNWSeF_TXSm1VjagcYX72ndi2pc2_PMLiaC91b_cwnEG0Ns9k-5cdrtovax69f46AOUbvTWji6923oXVbTfQ/s1600/jim-lee-batman-wall-poster-print.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0C_yFkJXYcRDFWxG3Q-qnK5XQmpLD82s6y3tl8Gjbe1EYgFMGkhRFynGQNWSeF_TXSm1VjagcYX72ndi2pc2_PMLiaC91b_cwnEG0Ns9k-5cdrtovax69f46AOUbvTWji6923oXVbTfQ/s320/jim-lee-batman-wall-poster-print.jpg" width="281" /></a></div><br />
For a better comparison on how the comic books gradually toned down and then amped up Batman's physique over his long history, take a look at this comparison set<br />
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</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;">The closest we get to see his physique around the Batman shoot is in the 1988 movie called <i>Clean and Sober</i>, in which we can see that Keaton was of a good shape of an average man. It's important to note that he went under extensive kick-boxing training for his role in <i>Batman</i></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
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</div><div align="center" class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #f1c232;"><b>Michael Keaton:</b> <i>So the preparation that I did, aside from basic things that I think you always have to do was getting in shape because I had to be very physical in this movie. Actually I couldn't get too big because I couldn't fit in the suit if I was too big and I couldn't get too small, I couldn't loose too much weight </i>(MNC TV 1990)</span></div><div align="center" class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">It's worth noting that Michael Keaton was able to achieve an impressive fit of gaining a great amount of muscle tissue for his role in the movie <i>Desperate Measures</i></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
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</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;">Bale is 6'0 tall, two inches shorter than his comic book counterpart. He was shown as being more bulky, wider and more muscled than many of Batman's incarnations, mirroring more the recent depictions and the earliest years with his physique</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br />
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</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><b><span style="color: #3d85c6;">Christopher Nolan:</span></b><span style="color: #3d85c6;"> </span><i><span style="color: #3d85c6;">[Christian Bale] proceeded to put on a lot of weight in muscle terms, he really tried bulk up.(...) I sort of gently suggested to cut down a bit </span></i><span style="color: #3d85c6;">(Making of BB)</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br />
</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><b><span style="color: #3d85c6;">Christian Bale:</span></b><span style="color: #3d85c6;"> </span><i><span style="color: #3d85c6;">I was just stuffing my face all day long, and lifting every weights and eating more and eventually went up to around 220 lbs. I just listened to what he said about get as big as you possibly can so thats what I did but I was kind of like a bear, I wasn't really like a martial arts guy, lean and ripped and everything like that. I could see the look on Chris' face, he looked at me and it was like 'oh' Christ, what has this guy done? (...) So I had to then loose a lot of weight </span></i><span style="color: #3d85c6;">(Making of BB)</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;"><i>Once they cast me, that’s when the real effort started just because that’s was when I actually had to start getting strong because he’s got no super powers. You have to look like you can be a brawler. He has no super powers and so he has to look like he really can do what you see him doing. And it was very… It was cutting it very fine, you know? I kind of just got ready in time for the beginning of the film.” </i>(movies.about.com)</span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;">T</span>wo articles have been significantly updated<br />
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The first one is KILLER BATMAN - direct link: <a href="http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2010/11/killer-batman.html">http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2010/11/killer-batman.html</a><br />
And THE LIST OF CHANGES IN THE MOVIES - direct link: <a href="http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/03/list-of-changes-in-movies.html">http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/03/list-of-changes-in-movies.html</a>GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com30tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-47020337515657073222011-08-15T20:59:00.000-07:002011-09-10T01:05:33.069-07:00Joker's Origins - Multiple Choice?<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUklo8FmH9ycAlx9_rZBC5PXQKSyoQz7Fz88HL6NnhyphenhyphenOrzqBSEi6Y8cT9Z8Xw3SBBsVPu1SYxTr795bKWiwZLQJgEjA5xCrKO0_PdAS6z9F3S4Hunft5veePKGKc_OIvolWm48NxIfCjM/s1600/redhoodswimdc.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="153" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUklo8FmH9ycAlx9_rZBC5PXQKSyoQz7Fz88HL6NnhyphenhyphenOrzqBSEi6Y8cT9Z8Xw3SBBsVPu1SYxTr795bKWiwZLQJgEjA5xCrKO0_PdAS6z9F3S4Hunft5veePKGKc_OIvolWm48NxIfCjM/s320/redhoodswimdc.JPG" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br />
</div><div align="justify"><span style="color: #c27ba0;"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="font-family: "Times", "Times New Roman", serif;">J</span></span></span>oker was introduced in 1940 in the very first issue of Batman comic, but contradictory to the popular myth, his origins were never meant to be ambiguous or left for interpretation. Batman's earliest stories were based on Pulp stories with similar main characters, such as The Shadow. Pulps are short, one issue murder mystery stories. They are not character driven, nor do they have any continuing storylines and continuous plots. They're simple detective stories with the mystery, detective and perpetrator. Again, such stories are not based on characters and dont focus on them, their personal stories, backstories or character development. Even when Batman got his origins, they weren't even included within any actual stories. They were just presented in two separate pages which were an extra in the issue.<br />
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: "Arial", "Tahoma", "Helvetica", "FreeSans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: white;">'<i>It may be significant that so many villains first arrived on the scene the way Joker had, without origin stories. They were granted the courtesy of being accepted as what they had chosen to become' </i>(Batman: The Complete History).</span></span><br />
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In short, no villain had origins at first, nor there was even any kind of hint of any intended ambiguity. About 2 years into the series, it started changing more and more into the adventure series and shed more light on characters, their intentions, motives, stories and character traits and developing relationships. Once that was established and the Batman series fully changed into a conventional adventure series, characters were being more crafted and backstories were given to them.They started to appear in late 40's and Joker's turn came in 1951's Detective Comics #168, written by the co-creator of the character Bill Finger and with artwork credited to Bob Kane, also a co-founder.<br />
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In this issue, Batman and Robin are asked to be guest instructors at the University's criminology course. After lying out some background for good detective work and getting to know the students, he gives assigns them a 10 year old case even he couldn't figure out. An identity of a masked villain called Red Hood who disappeared without any trace<br />
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When Batman finally encounters the Red Hood during a robbery, the villain appears to be quite cocky and makes it clear that thanks to his disguise his identity will remain a complete mystery.<br />
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Red Hood makes an escape and the reports about new robberies committed by him reach Batman. A month later, Red Hood gets cornered by Batman and escapes seemingly sacrificing his life. He was presumed dead but the body was never recovered<br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: white; font-family: "Arial", "Tahoma", "Helvetica", "FreeSans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;">One of the boys named Paul helped them solve the mystery and revealed that the Red Hood was a lab worker trying to steal $1 Million in a card factory to retire forever. After his dive into chemicals, he became disfigured and his skin and hair were permanently dyed - introducing The Joker! It's important to note that it was his physical appearance that pushed him into madness and made him decide upon his new image/identity</span><br />
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While his craziness, name and colors were explained, the frozen grin on his face wasn't addressed. To read more about Joker's frozen face and the origins behind the idea read <i>The Complete Joker History</i> article. Hi real name and pre-Joker identity remained unknown for the readers, aside from the fact that he was a lab worker<br />
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The origins were now set for Joker like for other villains and remained untouched for decades. In 1980's The Untold Legends of Batman, they were once again revisited by the 80's audience. In this issue, written by Len Wein and illustrated by Jim Aparo, the story remained consistent and unchanged<br />
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From mid to late 80's DC released an Official character guide called " Who's Who in DC Universe" which collected all the info and character traits in a encyclopedia-like style for every major character in DC. Joker's entry recalled the old known canonical origins<br />
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In 1988 Alan Moore decided to retell the origins but at the same time expand in the areas that weren't touched upon previously. Moore was sure not to contradict the established canon since he himself doesn't like inconsistencies in established canon<br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: white; font-family: "Arial", "Tahoma", "Helvetica", "FreeSans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;"><b>And the Joker's origin? Had he had one before that?<br />
Alan Moore:</b><i> He'd got a kind of muddy kind of origin. They'd said that he'd been the leader of a criminal gang called the Red Hood Mob and that while trying to escape from Batman he'd swum across this river of chemicals. </i><b>And that was about it?</b><i><br />
</i><b>AM:</b> <i>That was about it and this was from a story from, like, the late '50s or something and so I thought "Okay, I won't contradict that," because I kind of believe in working by the rules of the material as it already exists but I can put a lot of spin on that.</i> (Barry Kavanagh int., 2000)</span><br />
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While trying to stay true to the established origins as possible, he build the character behind the mask from scratch and infused it him with deep story and pathos, as he usually did with his characters, yet still preserving the fact that the young man worked at some point in the lab/factory. The pre-fall Joker was now a struggling young comedian who had trouble making ends meet and supporting his pregnant wife.<br />
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The reality of life has gotten hold of him, and he decided to cross the line and help with a robbery. The two gangsters that hired him made him assume the identity of a known robber Red Hood, which is just an identity assigned to different people, not a single gang leader as Police and Batman thought. While still not sure about this move, he wants to do it just for his pregnant wife, yet finds out she dies in an accident the night of the robbery, but there's no turning back with the gangsters.<br />
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From Batman's POV, Red Hood got caught by surprise,"his" thugs get killed and the panicked Hood makes a shocking move by jumping into the river where toxic wastes are emptied.<br />
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<div align="center"> And again, it's the first look at his new appearance that triggers his madness</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: justify;"><br />
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There's a misconception that the story Moore presents in The Killing Joke is not a real story of Joker but merely a figment of Joker's imagination. There's no indication that the flashback story that is intercut with the current story isn't true. The only line that can be taken as an argument is Joker saying that he prefers to have a multiple choice when it comes to his backstories, yet he also says that he does not remember his past so there's no assumption that the flashback story is him remembering.<br />
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It's rather a separate story , poetically and appropriately intercut within the contemporary story of Joker kidnapping Gordon's daughter. Then there's the fact that for decades Joker's origins were set in stone and were not contradicted by Moore, who even said himself that he doesn't like inconsistencies with previously established canon. And then you have Moore talking about infusing the character with pathos and dramatic story. It wouldn't not be so if the flashback was merely a made up figment of Joker's imagination, because the pathos given to the character would just go out the window as part of that imagination.<br />
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<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: white; font-family: "Arial", "Tahoma", "Helvetica", "FreeSans", sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px;"><b>You made the villain such a pitiful figure. In the comics for years, he was a psychotic maniac who kills indiscriminately, just does terrible, terrible things, and you made him so pitiful and sad. </b><br />
<b>Alan Moore</b>: <i>I suppose that's what I was saying. Well, psychotic murders -- the key word there is "psychotic," which is, as far as I know, an illness. This is not to say that people shouldn't be entitled to feel rage or the lust for revenge when something happens to them at the hands of somebody like this, but you've got to remember at the end of the day it's not strictly speaking that person's fault. That something has happened to them, they have made some bad decision in their life, and while all of us are responsible for our actions, sometimes people get broken and it is increasingly difficult for them to know their own actions. So I suppose that if there was anything actually being said in "The Killing Joke," it was that everybody has probably got a reason for being where they are, even the most monstrous of us.</i> (salon.com, 2009)</span><br />
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On top of all that, Moore has never ever hinted or undermined the legitimacy of the flashback story. And most importantly, the flashback story has been confirmed in past issues multiple times, which is going to be addressed in the article later.<br />
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The one who actually originated the retrofitting idea that the flashback story isn't true (at the same time acknowledging it was meant to be and disliking the fact) was the artist Brian Bolland.<br />
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It's important to note that he was not the storywriter and that he stated so only at the time of the release of The Dark Knight when DC was heavily pushing the angle that the movie was taking, which was to have Joker's origins ambiguous or purposefully unknown, which was an idea which originated solely from the sentence Joker said in The Killing Joke. It's also worth noting that Bolland statement was in The Killing Joke's rerelease in 2008, the same rerelease which changed the colors of Joker's outfit to match Heath Ledger's suit and added black around Joker's eyes and removed the yellow from Batman's emblem. Point being, the rerelease was clearly altered so it would match the movie, and so was Bolland's idea of discarding the origins which are actually shown to preserve the multiple choice angle the movie took.<br />
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One should also have in mind that aside form the idea being appealing to David Goyer and the Nolan Brothers, it would nullify the long established Joker origins involving permanent white skin which Nolan did not want to use in order to fit the character into our real world. By undermining the credibility of the origins, it erases them as canon in public's eyes and leaves a blank card for the filmmakers<br />
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<span style="color: #f1c232;"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="font-family: "Times", "Times New Roman", serif;">T</span></span></span>he 1989 Batman deviated from the story a bit. Michael Uslan, producer:<i><span style="color: #f1c232;"> After much discussion, it was agreed that for the movie the Red Hood storyline would be too confusing, time-consuming, and unnecessary to include in the film. There was no compelling reason to add a third identity to The Joker. And so, it was Jack Napier who took the plunge into the vat of chemicals, not the Red Hood.</span></i>(BITF 2002)<br />
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Joker still is born out of a criminal falling into vat of chemicals that emptied into the river, but the pre-Joker character was different.<br />
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He wasn't a robber but a mob hitman instead who already had psychological issues and was a multiple murderer who was doing hits for the mob for many years. According to the filmmakers in Shadows of the Bat documentary, they decided that it wasn't believable that a person can be so evil just by falling into chemicals. The fall has to have been the triggering mechanism to release or amplify an inner madness.<br />
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As in the comics, it was the first sight of his altered look that does the trick, and as in The Killing Joke, he just breaks laughing once he sees himself<br />
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The name Jack Napier was adapted into comics and written stories beginning with Dennis O'Neil's story "Images"<br />
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The first time Moore's story was referenced was in 1990's Batman #450. In this issue, after getting seriously injured Joker actually regains his sanity and recalls his entire life alone in the room while struggling with his confusion about what to do next and which road to take<br />
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In the following issue, Batman #451, it was Batman who was recalling the story presented by Moore. The Killing Joke's flashback story was now confirmed to be a part of canon continuity and the real event that really happened<br />
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</a></div>The next reference/recollection to Moore's story was in 1993's Legends of the Dark Knight #50, written by Dennis O'Neil. In this issue it was Batman in disguise who recognized Joker by his voice and recalled what happened with Red Hood who jumped into the toxic river in panic<br />
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In 2004's Batman: Gotham Knights #54 Moore's story was not only recalled but also expanded and continued. A witness comes forward who knows that the comedian's (named Jack Napier in comic books since 1993) wife was actually killed to look like it was accident by the same mob that was trying to get him to participate in the factory robbery.<br />
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<div align="center">In this issue Joker gets the name of the man who killed his wife</div><br />
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Ironically, while some of other villains' origins were changed throughout the years like Catwoman's, Joker was the one whose origins remained so consistent for so many decades. It was until 2008, the release year of The Dark Knight and the year where DC started pushing the multiple choice theme and undermine the credibility of Moore's story, that Joker's origins were remade. It was in Batman: Confidential #9 where we get to meet a bored criminal named Jack who wants to face Batman one day. When he actually does, Batman throws Batarang to stop him from escaping and cuts his face leaving a Glasgow smile - which is naturally another preparation and retrofitting for <i>The Dark Knight</i>'s arrival<br />
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The story still ended up in a vat of chemicals and medications, but in a very different way. Kidnapped and beaten, Jack gets loose and fight off his perpetrators but ends up flushed with the chemicals used for the antiseptic drugs, ending up looking like a clown. What remained the same was that the first look of himself was what pushed him over the edge<br />
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Just two years later the origins were retconned yet again to reflect the Joker of The Dark Knight. In Brave and the Bold #31, The Arkham doctors want to save the dying Joker because they've sworn in oath to save lives, so they call upon the Atom to help with the procedure. The Atom doesn't want to help save the Joker's life because it's the Joker, yet he agrees to once he finds out that in trying to save the criminal, he very well might end up killing him. After the Atom is inevitably overcome by the Joker's firing brain synapses, the narrative weaves in and out of the villain's violent memories, with the Atom forced to experience the disturbing instances first hand. We see the Joker as a twisted child, who kidnaps local pets and kills them, we see him trapping his abusive parents in the house and setting it on fire,<br />
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<div align="center"> we see the first traces of his philosophy and the rise of his criminal career.</div><br />
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The final, three-page sequence shows the Joker we all know and reveals/suggests that it is indeed the Joker from The Dark Knight<br />
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<div align="center"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;"> </span></span><b>........................................................................</b> </div><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;">T</span></span>he Multiple Choice theme introducing the mystery and ambiguity of Joker's origins is inspired solely from one panel of one comic book, which doesn't take anything away from the concept, however the fact remains that it was <i>The Dark Knight</i> that introduced the concept and it was never that way in the comic books. Still, it makes no impact on how well the idea worked for the new portrayal of Joker in <i>The Dark Knight</i>, nor does it take away anything from the comic book origins that were established in 1951 by the character's creators and survived for nearly 5 decades. Jonathan Nolan pretty much confirmed himself that the ambiguous origins for Joker was an idea <em>he</em> and Goyer invented, inspired by that one line from The Killing Joke.<br />
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<b>Jonathan Nolan:</b><span style="color: #3d85c6;"><i><b> </b>It grew from a little bit in part from a detail in The Killing Joke—the Allen Moore book—where he talks about if he had a past--he had to have a past--he’d want it to be multiple choice. And very much we sort of did a…felt like a little bit of a riff on that idea.</i></span>(Collider.com)<br />
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In addition to Joker's preference of having multiple choice when it comes to his backstory, his name is also never revealed and his personal data is unknown, as it was in The Killing Joke which made that fact much more prominent.<br />
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While Bolland wishes Moore's story didn't reveal the origins and wishes Joker had a mystery about him, he acknowledges that this is not what actually happened in the comic books. The release and then the success of The Dark Knight prompted the changes in the comic books and numerous retconning and retrofitting but not only in comic books, but in some comic writers themselves. Jerry Robinson, who was one of the first employees of Bob Kane, claimed, post-<i>The Dark Knight</i> naturally, that Joker was always intended to be mysterious and unexplained. However, it is more than suspicious that he only mentioned it after nearly 60 years of character's existence and only after <i>The Dark Knight'</i>s release and popularity of the movie's version of the Joker character, even thought he spoke about the character many times throughout the years even claiming its authorship.<br />
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Jerry Robinson: <i> I decided to leave his face white simply because I wanted him to resemble the playing card joker. He didn’t have green hair. It was just the white of the face and the red lips. We decided deliberately not to explain it, not to write an origin. We thought that would detract from the whole aura, the mystery of the Joker – where did he come from, how did he get that way? No, we did not explain that, quite deliberately</i>.(Comic Con panel 2009)<br />
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It is important to note that Robinson did not ended the relationship with Kane on a good note and Kane denied his claimed contributions to Joker's character. He stated that he only came up with Joker's card that they used for Joker and that Joker is a character based on The Man Who Laughs, a character Bill Finger pointed out and Kane drew. For their entire lives, the undisputed co-creator of Joker, Bill Finger, never mentioned any ambiguity or mystery about the character's origins once in his life, neither did the also undisputed co-creator Bob Kane. Finger actually wrote the origin story, something Robinson denies himself<br />
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Jerry Robinson: <i>Well, we had a lot of discussions about that. Bill and Bob and myself, we discussed at my first outline of that first story how I was going to explain his visual look. (...) The origin story was written by a subsequent writer many years later.</i><br />
Travis: <i>So you and Bill did not drop the Joker in a vat of acid.</i><br />
Jerry: <i>''No, we did not. Our initial reaction to that was if we dropped him into that vat, he obviously would have come out deformed.''</i><br />
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This is one of the examples of why Robinson's credibility is shaken. Robinson could not have been developing Joker's look since Joker was basically the Conrad Veidt character drawn onto paper with no visual changes whatsoever, and its agreed by everyone involved that it was Finger who pointed out the Veidt character. Secondly, Robinson was a young employee of Kane whose job was lettering and backgrounds at the time Joker was developed, and Finger was the writer among few others. It was not Robinson's turf to characterize new characters. Another issue is that with that quote Robinson betrays his lack of knowledge of the development of the character, since the original Joker, like the Veidt character, had a frozen smile on his face aka was deformed this way by Gypsies. So he indeed was deformed after coming out of the vat. Third, he claims Finger did not write the origins yet he wasn't even working on this issue.Not only that, but he wasn't even working on Batman or DC for that matter at that point <i>at all</i> for years. He was gone before Joker's origins were written. He left in 1946 while the origins were written in 1951. Besides, Jonathan Nolan himself confirmed he came up with the ambiguous nature for Joker, it wasn't something from the comic books<br />
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Today, the Joker's bio on the official DC website recognizes the multiple choice angle as canon, and the bio was co-created by the big fan of the idea , Brian Bolland. It is interesting to note that the bio shows 3 "possible" origins, but two of them are one and the same and two of them come from the comics while one comes from the 1989 movie. It does recognize the part about the factory accident<br />
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Both the Multiple Choice approach and the established origins were great and worked just perfectly for their particular portrayal of the character in <i>Batman</i> and <i>The Dark Knight</i>.<br />
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</div><div align="justify"><span style="font-family: "Times", "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #e69138;">T</span></span></span>he Tim Burton movies are based primarily on the Golden Age, the original Kane/Finger vision. For clearer picture of the influences of this era check the <i>Comic Book Influences in movies Part I</i> and <i>II</i> articles, and for quotes and further examples check <i>Batman in movies Part I </i>article.</div><div align="justify"> In the earliest issues, Batman was only an obstacle on Joker's way to his goals. Naturally, obstacles have to be removed, and Joker's were Batman and Robin. Once Batman started intervening and ruining Joker's plans time after time, Joker's hate towards Batman grew, and so did his eagerness to kill him, either with guns...(panels below from Batman #1 and Batman #4)</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="center">Or just about anything available (panel below from Batman #4), giving his best in hand to hand fight</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="justify">There's a common misconception that Joker was a physical match for Batman in the early issues. While some may say it's true, it would have been taking things out of the context. Back in those days, every villain was a physical match for Batman , and they fought the same way (kicks and fist punches) getting the same results: Either temporary knocking him down, fighting him long enough to make an escape or simply be ineffective and got beaten up. But Batman always had an upper hand, even if he absorb good hits<br />
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The Modern Age Joker didn't even try against Batman, knowing he stands no chance whatsoever, unless he already had advantage of Batman being dizzy or down and some kind of a weapon next to him. The Bronze/Modern Age Joker certainly wasn't thrilled about getting beaten up (Panel below from Shadow of the Bat #4)<br />
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</div><div align="justify">Batman of course didn't want anything else than to put Joker away and was ready to do whatever it took. He beat him up on many occasions when he finally had a chance and also tried and even thought he killed him a few times, sometimes by accident, sometimes in self defense</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="center">In Bronze and Modern Age, sometimes Batman was ready to kill Joker out of pure hate (Panel below from 1983's Detective Comics # 532)</div><div align="justify"><br />
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<div align="center">Panel below from 1987's Detective Comics #570</div><br />
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</div><div align="justify">During the Golden Age Joker became jealous/in awe of Batman's customized gadgets and started to imitate all that, creating customized cars and planes that visually represented him just like Batmobile and Batplane represented Batman in its visual design. That was mirrored in the movie by the line "Where does he get those wonderful toys" and his knack for customized equipment as well. (Pages below from 1946's Batman #37)</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="justify">The Joker simply had his own plans which Batman always interrupted, which made Joker hate Batman even more and prepare traps for him to get rid of him. This type of relationship from the earliest comic books was the one which was the inspiration for the 1989 story, which, as almost everything else, was primarily based on the earliest version of Batman mythology, going back to the roots.<br />
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There were some elements from other eras as well naturally. In latter years of the Golden Age and then during the Silver Age, Joker was obsessed with coming out on top and being better than Batman. This mirrors Joker's frustration from Batman stealing his thunder in the media. This has also happened often with 70's Joker who wanted to be <i>the</i> villain in Gotham and be the headline (Panels from various issues of Dennis O'Neil's Joker comic books)<br />
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The 1989 movie drew primarily from the early 1940's but also a lot from the 1980's. It is interesting to note that during the movie's filming, the conclusion to "Death in the Family" was released in January of 1989 in which Joker kills a member of the Batman "family", the second Robin Jason Todd. Since then, Batman's flashbacks and obsession switched to thoughts about Joker killing Robin and Joker became a villain on a very personal level. (Panel below from Detective Comics #617)<br />
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Batman very often couldn't contain himself from killing him, just like Joe Chill. Joe Chill was the murderer of Wayne's and the murder and murderer was constantly on Batman's mind, as was Jason's death (panel below from Detective Comics #606).<br />
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That sort of personal revenge motif of the late 80's was well in full swing when <i>Batman</i> premiered months after, and it also included that same motif. Batman's hatred and pain was geared towards Joker for murdering those close to him.<br />
In the comics books it wasn't Joe Chill who haunted batman's head when gased with Scarecrow's poison, it was now Joker. It can be said that Chill and Joker were merged together, became one, from a certain point of view.<br />
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Certainly the feelings toward him, the obsession with finding him and the personal hatred was the same.<br />
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Batman was close to killing Chill when his anger and hunger for vengeance were clouding his judgment (panel below from Batman: Year Two)<br />
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The same with Joker. There were instances where Batman nearly killed him thinking about the "family" member he killed. Example from 1993's Batman #496<br />
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There were also some interesting dynamics presented in the movie. The movie hints that both Joker and Batman are the same in some ways, both insane but manifest their insanity in different ways and for different purposes. The notable moment was when both Joker and Bruce say the exact same thing when they enter Vicky Vale's apartment - "Nice place, lots of space"<br />
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</div>Bob Kane echoed this theme: <i><span style="color: #f1c232;">[Bruce Wayne] became, in his own way, as psychotic as the Joker, except the Joker fights against justice and for evil. They're mirror images of each other. </span></i>(People, 1989)<br />
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It was also Batman who actually created Joker. Panel below from 1980's The Untold Legends of Batman<br />
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<div align="center"><span style="color: #3d85c6;"><span style="font-size: x-large;">THE DARK KNIGHT</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQ_36R_o4aTfB3wP-hDiEkfQcwZHS1Vlyl121li-2bi5Z6O79gixTRWVV46zegK0ziSDXTC4EHr_PE0NDj51PxlAmF7dx5Xaw7QZIZ6JiV3MoXw4sZQkmA-JA37bSPWITt-xaun-lslwg/s1600/overthetablekj.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="134" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQ_36R_o4aTfB3wP-hDiEkfQcwZHS1Vlyl121li-2bi5Z6O79gixTRWVV46zegK0ziSDXTC4EHr_PE0NDj51PxlAmF7dx5Xaw7QZIZ6JiV3MoXw4sZQkmA-JA37bSPWITt-xaun-lslwg/s320/overthetablekj.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;">C</span></span>hristopher Nolan's movies were based primarily on graphic novels and one shots or limited series' from late 80's and early 90's. For <i>The Dark Knight</i>, the earliest Joker appearances were also cited as influence.<br />
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The relationship between Joker and Batman started changing 2 years after the introduction of the Joker character. Starting with 1942's Batman #12, Joker did not want to just kill Batman to get him out of his way. He decided that it was too easy to just dispose of Batman by killing him in "simple" ways.<br />
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Instead he started coming up with very imaginative traps, tests and games for Batman to play and get killed in<br />
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Facing off Batman became something of a fun for Joker and something he actually enjoyed and thoroughly planned. He still wanted to kill him but enjoyed the prospect of setting up the traps and trying to outwit Batman. The idea was restated in 1942's Detective Comics #62 when Joker didn't want Batman to get unmasked<br />
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Years later the same motif was restated in 1978's Detective Comics #475. Joker doesn't want to unmask Batman and tries to prevail his secret identity, as did Joker in The Dark Knight. As time progressed, Batman became pure fun for Joker.<br />
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While beginning with Batman #12 Joker doesn't want to kill Batman in any "conventional" way and instead has fun trying to kill him with most imaginative ways involving games, he doesn't always stay true to his vouch and simply gets fed up with Batman to the point where he just wants him dead. The first time he contradicted his mantra was as early as in 1943's Detective Comics #71<br />
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<div align="center">And it happened many times since (panel below from 1977's Batman #286)</div><br />
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The relationship was developed even more in 1977's Batman #294 when Joker states that he doesn't want to kill Batman, simply because he has so much fun with him. The panel below shows Joker once again trying to prevail Batman's identity by wiping out his face<br />
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<div align="center"> It was then restated in 1987's Detective Comics #570</div><br />
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<div align="center">Panel below from 1988's Batman #400 and #429</div><div align="center"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiNQ3MRlDtr99GVCMcyz2FME3XcNAofgOYjedooDszVrZS5moPe51Eq1ZKGgWeJyuPgyVlpxIDXlQOtnYmbXArjjE0ctHyNe6tHeXgQ3i64dpbLFQ7K4nbyPQ9P1Z-nyNvjxUAG1En49eN-/s1600/jokersgame.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiNQ3MRlDtr99GVCMcyz2FME3XcNAofgOYjedooDszVrZS5moPe51Eq1ZKGgWeJyuPgyVlpxIDXlQOtnYmbXArjjE0ctHyNe6tHeXgQ3i64dpbLFQ7K4nbyPQ9P1Z-nyNvjxUAG1En49eN-/s1600/jokersgame.JPG" /></a></div></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpGbFf4uVgsShLfDDIPMhao5W69rYi3ssP9mpRnYmqknNyOvrtBr8wEmeG0Xkn1GxY9C1r3AybeCPrTKT3rXd-loOQi3vUsRplYeElF8su_xQwiPFluaUTHFaiDqV6CSitXbsJ6JzSeLY/s1600/lifeworthliving.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpGbFf4uVgsShLfDDIPMhao5W69rYi3ssP9mpRnYmqknNyOvrtBr8wEmeG0Xkn1GxY9C1r3AybeCPrTKT3rXd-loOQi3vUsRplYeElF8su_xQwiPFluaUTHFaiDqV6CSitXbsJ6JzSeLY/s1600/lifeworthliving.jpg" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqO6itXuDnvOY89K2ywk6pRPOwqFKiDBKZpoIpbcicbn9ji7EarBgf9v5uzysWDeahbRKklarw7diKgpMQD62pHZqRTKSyNQP5FJdAxqMWGvlzZSoA9KIxMDmDs_rPlyyvKSaBBUswzNk/s1600/tdk_2829.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="134" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiqO6itXuDnvOY89K2ywk6pRPOwqFKiDBKZpoIpbcicbn9ji7EarBgf9v5uzysWDeahbRKklarw7diKgpMQD62pHZqRTKSyNQP5FJdAxqMWGvlzZSoA9KIxMDmDs_rPlyyvKSaBBUswzNk/s320/tdk_2829.png" width="320" /></a></div><br />
But as before, Joker sometimes just gets fed up with Batman or just simply wants to kill him for fun. After all, it's Joker and he changes his mind whenever he wants, whenever he finds something to be fun. Even though he seems to have a bond with Batman in 1988's The Killing Joke, in the very same issue he's trying to kill him by stabbing him<br />
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And it also happened many times since when Joker wanted Batman dead one way or another, sometimes even just trying to simply shoot him because he either got fed up with Batman's interference..(panel below from 1990's Detective Comics #617)<br />
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<div align="center">Or out of rage if he gets beaten up by Batman (panel below from 1993's Batman #496)</div><br />
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<div align="center">Or simply because he feels like it</div><br />
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The same pretty much happened in the movie when Joker says he doesn't want to kill Batman after all because he's too much fun and gives him the speech about the special bond the two share, yet tries to stab him during the fight at the end.<br />
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Joker addressed the flip flopping on the issue in 2005's Batman: Dark Detective #3. His explanation makes no sense whatsoever, proving that Joker doesn't really think logically and just goes with the flow of his thoughts. He's crazy after all<br />
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In <i>The Dark Knight</i>, the relationship between the two also gets personal because Joker kills Rachel, a love interest of Bruce. Batman goes ballistic but even tho he's sometime close, he never really plans or intends to kill Joker. Panel below from 1987's Detective Comics #570<br />
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</div>GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com20tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-74589237939068666102011-08-04T21:39:00.000-07:002012-05-18T16:27:57.432-07:00Comic Book references in movies Part VI: 'The Dark Knight'<div align="justify">
<span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;">E</span></span>very writer of the Batman movies had either an extensive prior knowledge of the Batman comic books or did an extensive research before writing the script. Each and every one of the theatrical Batman movies has numerous subtle and not so subtle nods and references to the comic books and reveals an impressive knowledge of the comic book back catalog.<br />
One of the last posts focused on differences and deviations from the comic books from each movie, listing the number of things which were changed to fit the story more and serve it better (http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/03/list-of-changes-in-movies.html). This time we'll focus on all the references and similarities to showcase the writers' knowledge of the Batman stories and to point out what was taken from the comics</div>
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<span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #3d85c6;">T</span></span>he Dark Knight continues Batman Begins' tradition of drawing primarily and heavily from the graphic novels, one shots and limited series' of the late 1980's and 1990's, but this time the writers also went all the way back to the roots, to the earliest issues of the Batman comic book. In addition to the same sources Batman Begins drew, some of the cited influences for The Dark Knight are the first two issues of Batman and The Killing Joke. To read more about this particular portrayal of Joker check http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2010/09/complete-history-of-joker.html</div>
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1. Disguised Joker robs a bank and when he's about to leave he reveals his identity. The same happens in 1942's Batman #9</div>
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It's not a comic book reference, but the mask Joker is wearing is very reminiscent of the mask Joker was wearing in the 1966 TV show in an episode called "The Joker is Wild"<br />
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3. And had an underground bunker in the city that served as a secondary batcave</div>
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4. Very often during the late 80's Batman was depicted as having scars and bruises after his nightly outings</div>
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5. Batman, Harvey Dent and Commissioner Gordon are shown as a powerful, united and uncorrupted trio. They all meet together on the rooftop next to the bat signal. This, as well as the "I believe in Harvey Dent" line, comes from 1999's The Long Halloween</div>
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Batman disappears and Dent is surprised. Gordon says "He does that". This also comes from The Long Halloween<br />
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6. Since Silver Age on, Batman was freely allowed to witness the crime scenes and have a full access on the site</div>
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7. The idea of a dead Batman impostor comes from two different sources. One is 1978's Detective Comics #476, and the other one is 1999's Batman: Dark Victory where victims were hung by a villain called the Hangman who used to pin his identity on them</div>
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8. The term "squealer" and the idea of cut faces smeared with lipstick most likely comes from 2001's Gotham Noir<br />
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9. In the Modern Age, Joker has been most often depicted as having a haggard and unkempt hair. He was also depicted as a young man in The Killing Joke</div>
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11. Joker tells multiple versions of his past. The preference of having a choice comes from The Killing Joke</div>
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12. However, what he says is a lie. Alan Moore confirmed the flashbacks in The Killing Joke to be the canon story that doesn't contradict the established canon, which brings us to another influence. In 1999's Batman: Mad Love, the story about the abusive father was a lie told to gain sympathy from Harlene Quinzel. The second story about an unhappy wife is influenced by The Killing Joke</div>
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As Joker said himself, he's a liar</div>
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13. Batman often traveled oversees to apprehend criminals (Panel from 1990's Detective Comics #620 and #590)</div>
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14. Batman often left notes for cops stuck to the tied criminals (panel from 1990's Detective Comics #615)</div>
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15. Joker announces his next move on TV. (Panel from 1977's Detective Comics #469)</div>
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16. Batman often used some help from his computer to select suspects (panel from Detective Comics #629 and #618)<br />
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17. Harking back to Batman #1, Joker dresses up as a cop to get to his victim, at the same time his "smile" still gives away the character<br />
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18. In The Long Halloween Dent pretends to be killed in order to then return later as a part of strategy to outwit the enemy. That's what Gordon did in the movie<br />
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19. Batman's known to scare thugs with dropping them from small heights. Panel from Batman #237<br />
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20. One of the goons tries to take off Batman's booby trapped mask. This happened in 2003's Batman #609<br />
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21. Even when in jail, Joker knows he won't be there for long. Also, his identity remains a secret and there's no record of him at all<br />
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22. The scene when Batman loses his temper over Joker was inspired by the scene with the decoy from The Killing Joke<br />
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23. While Two Face origins where always depicted as being caused by Moroni's vial of acid, Dent became Two Face for the second time because of an explosion in 1954's Batman #81<br />
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24. Two Face's scarred side is depicted as bold in The Long Halloween</div>
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25. Joker talks about his relationship with Batman and how he doesn't want to kill him. It was restated few times, and just like in the movie, despite what Joker says, he has every intention of killing Batman afterwards<br />
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26. Batman tend to break when failing in saving someone's life. Alfred is always there for moral support (panel comes from 1991's Legends of the Dark Knight #16)<br />
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27. The idea of hostages disguised as Joker's men or Joker comes from 2000's Batman #754</div>
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28. Joker using knives trying to stab Batman and then hitting him with a plank comes from The Killing Joke</div>
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29. Batman uses the sonar eyes in his cowl. (Panel from 2006's Batman #647)</div>
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30. Joker is trying to prove that under pressure everyone will become homicidal lunatic</div>
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31. Joker falls to his death yet is laughing. (Panel from Joker #4)</div>
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32. In Batman #1, Batman saves Joker from falling to his death</div>
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33. In 1986's Batman:Year One, Gordon's family is kidnapped and his son is saved from the fall by Batman<br />
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<span style="font-size: x-small;">Special acknowledgment to fellow Batman historians BatmAngelus and SilverNemesis</span></div>
</div>GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com70tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-38176544996589493892011-08-04T00:45:00.000-07:002012-01-21T14:44:30.595-08:00Comic Book references in movies Part V: 'Batman Begins'<div align="justify"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #b45f06;">E</span></span>very writer of the Batman movies had either an extensive prior knowledge of the Batman comic books or did an extensive research before writing the script. Each and every one of the theatrical Batman movies has numerous subtle and not so subtle nods and references to the comic books and reveals an impressive knowledge of the comic book back catalog.<br />
One of the last posts focused on differences and deviations from the comic books from each movie, listing the number of things which were changed to fit the story more and serve it better (http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/03/list-of-changes-in-movies.html). This time we'll focus on all the references and similarities to showcase the writers' knowledge of the Batman stories and to point out what was taken from the comics</div><div align="justify"><br />
</div><div align="center"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #b45f06;">BATMAN BEGINS</span></span></div><div align="justify" class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqjWiHndj7qr0ue9L_2SYYxZ2_etfZnnWB02y0bNhg9eb2kJTRMcKOalbOEjAUj6Fm79s5YwokC87BNgDoTezfVkwy9W-3ivgFmoPuEDwHFby86N_NPdpOcJEbZLz2-ZHvtUeIcB0DwBEq/s1600/titletitlebatbeg.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="133" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhqjWiHndj7qr0ue9L_2SYYxZ2_etfZnnWB02y0bNhg9eb2kJTRMcKOalbOEjAUj6Fm79s5YwokC87BNgDoTezfVkwy9W-3ivgFmoPuEDwHFby86N_NPdpOcJEbZLz2-ZHvtUeIcB0DwBEq/s320/titletitlebatbeg.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><div align="justify"><br />
</div><div align="justify"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #b45f06;">T</span></span>he previous Batman movies drew either primarily from 1940's, 1970's or 1960's. Batman begins focuses most on graphic novels, one shots and limited series' from 1980's and early 1990's. The cited influences on Batman Begins are Year One, The Man Who Falls, The Dark Knight Returns, Jeph Loeb & Tim Sale's Batman stories (Haunted Knight, The Long Halloween, Dark Victory), and the 1970s Dennis O'Neil with Ra's Al Ghul. This representation of Batman is very faithful and very referential to the Bronze and most primarily, Modern Age (1985-present day). To read about the portrayal of Batman in Christopher Nolan's movies check http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/01/batman-in-movies-part-iii-christian.html<br />
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<span style="color: #e69138;"><b>David Goyer:</b> <i>We based a lot of it on Year One. Ra's Al Ghul we pulled from the '70s Denny O'Neill and Neil Adams stuff </i>(grouchoreviews.com) </span></div><div align="justify"><br />
</div><div align="justify">1. The opening shot is very reminiscent of the imagery in 1987's Batman: Year One </div><br />
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2. The idea of young Bruce falling into a bat cave and being attacked by the bats comes from 1986's The Dark Knight Returns<br />
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<div align="center">3. 1989's The Man Who Falls was the first to depict Bruce falling through wooden planks</div><br />
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<div align="center">4. The same story also has Bruce growing a beard</div><div align="justify"><br />
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</div><div align="justify">5. It is worth noting that the trip to the top of the mountain in order to find a mentor is an homage to Batman #431 and The Man Who Falls.</div><div align="justify"><br />
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6. The Gotham monorail, featured on the first panel of Year One, makes its debut in the movie<br />
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7. Very often when Batman's origins are retold, there is an image of young Bruce kneeling among his dead parents (panel below from Batman: Year One)<br />
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8. When Ra's Al Ghul first appears in 1971's Batman #232 , his hidden base is in Himalayas<br />
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9. When Bruce was about to kill Joe Chill, somebody else beat him to the punch in 1987's Batman: Year Two<br />
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10. Bruce leaves among the common pure people. He did the same in The Man Who Falls<br />
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11. The first time the League of Assasins/League of Shadows appeared, there was a Sensei present who was in charge despite the fact that it was Ghul's group. While in the movie he was just a decoy, the inspiration is clearly there<br />
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12. Ra's pick Bruce to be in charge of the League of Shadows just like in the comic books Ra's chooses Bruce to be his successor in leading the League of Assasins (panel from Batman #232)<br />
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13. In Year One, Bruce makes a comeback to Gotham City after a long absence. The media picks up on it immediately<br />
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14. Bruce's speech during his flight is very reminiscent of his dialogue in 1980's The Untold Legends of the Batman. David Goyer admitted to copying some dialogue verbatim from some comic books<br />
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15. Bruce disguised in tattered clothes as a transient worker in order to spy comes from 1999's Batman: War on Crime<br />
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16. While Gotham City has been depicted with a lot of Gothic architecture, it has also been depicted in Modern Age as a regular looking city<br />
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17. In 1996's Long Halloween, Scarecrow and Carmine Falcone briefly worked together<br />
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18. In 1994's Detective Comics #0, Bruce Wayne takes a tour of Wayne Enterprises’s science division and tells Lucius Fox to shut it down. Then he and Alfred disguised as delivery men steal all the equipment. While Batman later modifies everything , the idea of his gadgets originating from Wayne Ent. was there<br />
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19. The tumbler resembles The Dark Knight Returns' Batmobile in look and overall theme</div><div align="justify"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiMEE60KrthDvJ_x6ppugRv-uBN4-Hna9arLlDPms8X4cXOV1fqn2H9DnxiraFA1751-cfe8YrYxUVbmXyHbQDim6Kx33qTFY2rbWkXhya6eAFbZu4c2tSmonbM9U-DNa9ViFLyzHv2uoc/s1600/millerbatmobile.gif" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="160" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiMEE60KrthDvJ_x6ppugRv-uBN4-Hna9arLlDPms8X4cXOV1fqn2H9DnxiraFA1751-cfe8YrYxUVbmXyHbQDim6Kx33qTFY2rbWkXhya6eAFbZu4c2tSmonbM9U-DNa9ViFLyzHv2uoc/s320/millerbatmobile.gif" width="320" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkFoSbIKPAVn2n0RRm9GBKRHp_ffzgFedzhT8ESpUJ9b5FevQTiH_mbmGx0TMuoBNbeA8vC30k41fRm-PhNX7wxjV5taD8laPfJC-w2zZo0W8mCvSHmghCYz9hc-_SqUoWuVy9vyoXyfE/s1600/tumblerbbescape.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="131" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgkFoSbIKPAVn2n0RRm9GBKRHp_ffzgFedzhT8ESpUJ9b5FevQTiH_mbmGx0TMuoBNbeA8vC30k41fRm-PhNX7wxjV5taD8laPfJC-w2zZo0W8mCvSHmghCYz9hc-_SqUoWuVy9vyoXyfE/s320/tumblerbbescape.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br />
</div><div align="justify">20. Bruce gets the idea for becoming the Bat-Man after a bat flew into his house<br />
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<div align="center">21. The use of Bat shurikens is also taken from Year One</div><br />
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22. Year One: Flass harasses others and gladly abuses his power. Sickened Gordon watches and doesn't hide his disgust<br />
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<div align="center">23. The interrogation upside down in the rain comes from The Long Halloween</div></div><div align="justify"><br />
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24. The short ears on the cowl and the big and wide bat logo were always the characteristics of the first Bat costume in Batman's earliest days, depicted as such in every era. His early belt also consisted of compartments rather than pellets that he had in latter years of his crime fighting career.<br />
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25. Batman is often shown watching over the city on rooftops and most often statues in crouching positions<br />
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26. Bruce is spontaneously exercising while Alfred talks to him and informs him on what he read in the newspaper. That is also from Year One<br />
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27. When Bruce gets gased with Scarecrow's poison, he sees flashbacks of his parents' murder. This comes from 1996's Batman: Haunted Knight. Another example posted is from 1990's Detective Comics #457<br />
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28. After getting poisoned by Scarecrow Bruce wakes up and Alfred is on his side. This is also from Haunted Knight<br />
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29. Very soon after, Bruce is visited by Jillian/Rachel who thinks that his worn out condition is a result of heavy partying. Also from Haunted Knight<br />
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30. The ambush on Scarecrow's hideout and goons comes from Haunted Knight as well. It also featured the line "Its the Batman"<br />
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<div align="center">31. Crane's line about making an appointment also comes from Haunted Knight</div><br />
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32. Batman uses a sonic device from his boot to call the bats for distraction. This comes from Year One<br />
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33. The whole story about Ra's trying to poison Gotham's water supply in order to bring "balance" is taken from 1982's Batman Annual #8<br />
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34. From the outside Arkham looks very much like the comic book Arkham looked like for most of its long history. Throughout the 70s, 80s and early 90s, Arkham was an old, long building<br />
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<div align="center">35. Ras Al Ghul freed all the prisoners from Arkham in Batman 1986's #400</div><div align="center"><br />
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<div align="center">36. The imagery of Scarecrow on the horse comes from The Long Halloween</div><br />
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<div align="center">37. Ras was a physically tough opponent for Batman</div><br />
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<div align="center">38. The movie ends with the mention of the Joker, as did Year One</div><br />
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39. While not a comic book reference, Batman looks like the Batman from "Batman Beyond" series when seen through the eyes of the toxed Crane<br />
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<div align="center"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Special acknowledgement for fellow Batman historian BatmAngelus</span></div></div>GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com65tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5525632684510430421.post-81431156426196036742011-08-03T00:48:00.000-07:002011-08-09T03:47:17.180-07:00Comic Book references in movies Part IV: 'Batman & Robin'<div align="justify"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #cc0000;">E</span></span>very writer of the Batman movies had either an extensive prior knowledge of the Batman comic books or did an extensive research before writing the script. Each and every one of the theatrical Batman movies has numerous subtle and not so subtle nods and references to the comic books and reveals an impressive knowledge of the comic book back catalog.</div><div align="justify">One of the last posts focused on differences and deviations from the comic books from each movie, listing the number of things which were changed to fit the story more and serve it better (http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/03/list-of-changes-in-movies.html). This time we'll focus on all the references and similarities to showcase the writers' knowledge of the Batman stories and to point out what was taken from the comics</div><br />
<div align="center"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #cc0000;">BATMAN & ROBIN</span></span></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhotos_NcaSSzuXV1nsh5dVK3gMFqEFlnOTXFEfEzLQCfp3UF58W7KNmkhf_DtiXSCpvGT9gjEapunyF-jdO4DBWex37o5WFfU-RlTyCRTMWhB0anST2ZeRDrw2IUu4yHfck8OZHSyvKzfp/s1600/titletitle+batman+robin.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhotos_NcaSSzuXV1nsh5dVK3gMFqEFlnOTXFEfEzLQCfp3UF58W7KNmkhf_DtiXSCpvGT9gjEapunyF-jdO4DBWex37o5WFfU-RlTyCRTMWhB0anST2ZeRDrw2IUu4yHfck8OZHSyvKzfp/s320/titletitle+batman+robin.jpg" width="320" /></a></div><br />
<div align="justify"><span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="color: #cc0000;">W</span></span>hile <i>'Batman'</i> and <i>'Batman Returns'</i> were primarily based on 1940's and <i>'Batman Forever'</i> was mostly based on 1970's, 'Batman and Robin' was based primarily on 1960's and the TV show. Michael Uslan, producer: <i>"The 1960s Batman - “Pow, Zap, and Wham.” Fortunately or unfortunately - fortunately for those who only know the 60s TV show - and unfortunately for you and me - 'Batman & Robin' was the Batman of the mid-60s."</i> (BOF int.).</div><div align="justify"><br />
</div><div align="justify">1. Robin's new costume is basically the costume of Nightwing from 1990's with different colors</div><br />
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2. The very first time Batman met Mr. Freeze in 1959's Batman #121, then known as Mr. Zero, Mr. Freeze was in the midst of stealing diamonds<br />
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<div align="center">3. Mr. Freezes temperature puns were present in the sixties</div><br />
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4. The idea of Mr. Freeze relaxing in dressing gown in his hideout on ice chair comes from Batman #121<br />
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5. Both Barbara and Daphne, Alfred's niece arrive abruptly without notice but are warmly greeted. (Panels from 1969's Batman #216)<br />
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<div align="center">6. Alfred also had a brother called Wilfred</div><br />
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<div align="center">7. Poison Ivy's costume is identical to her costume from 60's comics</div><br />
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8. 1989 Black Orchid story reveals that she became who she is when working with Jason Woodrue<br />
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9. In the 50's and 60's, Batman and Robin often attended official and public events (panel from 1969's Batman #214)<br />
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<div align="center">10. Batman punching a bad guy through a drum or something else was typical in the 60's</div><br />
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</div>11. Bruce Wayne is hallucinating that he's with Poison Ivy when with his girlfriend. (Panel from 1966's Batman #183)<br />
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12. Bruce's love interest in the movie is Julie Madison. Julie Madison comes from the earliest Batman stories, and she was Bruce's fiance. In the movie, there's plenty of talk about getting engaged<br />
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13. Bane may not the Bane we know from comic books, but he is certainly very much like Ivy's Henchmen Ivan, later called Ivor. The movie Bane is pretty much Ivan, just looking like Bane. The scene where Ivy disguises herself with a wig and Bane/Ivan drives her from the airport comes from 1981's Batman #339)<br />
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<div align="center">14. Ivy meets Wayne in her disguise </div><br />
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15. Ivan is turned into a powerful half man, half plant, just like Bane is a man enhanced with a formula that is based on Ivy's formula which she developed to create carnivore plants (panel from 1982's Batman #344)<br />
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<div align="center">16. Evan doesn't speak much except for short and simple sentences and faces Batman </div><br />
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<div align="center">17. Ivy spreads the seeds of her mutated plants, Bane/Ivan standing beside her</div><br />
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<div align="center">18. Ivy is skilled in fight</div><br />
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<div align="center">19. Batgirl's motorcycle is very reminiscent of the comic book counterpart</div><br />
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20. The entire plot about Mr. Freeze trying to freeze Gotham with a giant freezing ray is taken from 1984's Batman #375)<br />
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<div align="center">21. The bright anti freezing suit also appeared in the comics </div><br />
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22. Ivy's "he loves me, he loves me not" is taken from 1993's Legends of the Dark Knight #42<br />
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<div align="center"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Sole credit belongs to fellow Batman historian SilverNemesis </span></div>GothamStreetshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05650245408360085764noreply@blogger.com52